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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #750 on: March 15, 2011, 04:15:06 PM »
#42, we still on for Aintree, I'm getting to like these big bikes now that I know they are not as frightening as the RS. :D :D :D

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« Reply #751 on: March 15, 2011, 05:21:31 PM »
Sam,
     Could use some good news late tomorrow after the test drive. I think that I'm earning my shirt ;)

     I've got a house surrounded by snow. I really am looking forward to Friday.

     It should be a different animal then.

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« Reply #752 on: March 15, 2011, 07:08:14 PM »
The next installment of the Samauto saga is awaited with anticipation.  This is better than the build up NASCAR does. :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #753 on: March 15, 2011, 08:29:43 PM »
Frank if you don't finish your wife's bike you will be in the dog house for a long time

He's a little puppy so i think i can squeeze in beside him. The only problem is he's crossed with English and American bulldog and snores like a grown man. I won't get much sleep unless i kick him out-lol.

Update on the bike- i got the bottom end together with pistons and the block. Awaiting installation of the head and cams as soon as i get done with a dirt bike for a friend. He's in the shop now- i snuck inside for something to snack on.

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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #754 on: March 15, 2011, 08:56:17 PM »
The next installment of the Samauto saga is awaited with anticipation.  This is better than the build up NASCAR does. :D :D :D :D :D

+1 enjoying the show from the sidelines! Great stuff from all the participants!! Good luck on the next outing - videos are very welcome thanks for all the efforts!
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #755 on: March 15, 2011, 09:05:12 PM »
The next installment of the Samauto saga is awaited with anticipation.  This is better than the build up NASCAR does. :D :D :D :D :D

+1 enjoying the show from the sidelines! Great stuff from all the participants!! Good luck on the next outing - videos are very welcome thanks for all the efforts!
It looks very different without the paniers Andy, did you get to use them yet?

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« Reply #756 on: March 15, 2011, 09:38:33 PM »
No I never used the panniers. They were no good for me as broken mounts and full of holes.

Good luck on the next run!

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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #757 on: March 16, 2011, 08:32:30 PM »
JW, jet mods corrected, ready to to go back on. ;)

Sam. ;)

How about an update my friend??? How does it sound now? Any better response against the brake?

I put the head and cams in the wife's motor this afternoon. Unfortunately i ran into a piston to valve clearance problem >:(. More growing pains from a brand new build but i think i can overcome it :'(. Bad news is, i won't have the issue corrected before the race this weekend so she will be spectating instead of racing. Looks like you guys will have to team up with me again- lol. I may throw the old Honda back in the trailer and race with you guys in pro ET. Team Sam Green all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #758 on: March 16, 2011, 08:51:26 PM »
Frank,you better bring the 750F.It's a winner! ;D
We are buttoning up now.Carbs repaired(Thanks Jon) back on,lots of little mods,gotta wait til morning to crank.
I believe this weekend could be different! ;) ;D,Bill
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« Reply #759 on: March 16, 2011, 09:24:30 PM »
Still unclear about what the best ET the samauto ran when popping it's cherry??
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #760 on: March 16, 2011, 09:31:54 PM »
We'll let you know.Never ran complete run,but I,m guessing high 12's @ 115-117mph if all goes well and we can improve 60ft. times.Bill
Mike,no stickers? :o
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #761 on: March 16, 2011, 09:46:47 PM »
Mike,thanks,mo pics,it's ready,will crank in a few hours. 8)
More pics:
Sam's first time on Samauto ;D

He really can work on'em! ;)

Let's go racing!!

Sweeeeeeeeeeet

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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #762 on: March 16, 2011, 09:49:49 PM »
So what was the best ET you guys cut in the 1/8 mile??? Sure, it will get better; just never got an over-all ET. Reaction time is a rider element, while ET and trap speed are more a measure of the machine. Can't wait to hear about the next outing!  ;D
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« Reply #763 on: March 16, 2011, 10:09:00 PM »
Scott, to put it in nut shell, it was slower than when I ran at Valdosta and that was 18.25 at 75mph. :(
We couldn't get it to leave the line.
When it did go, it went like a scalded cat.

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« Reply #764 on: March 16, 2011, 10:15:05 PM »
We covered 600 ft. in 6.61 sec.It's the first 60 we're being killed!!!!

You mean you had a 12 sec 60 ft time?? :o :o
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« Reply #765 on: March 17, 2011, 02:09:12 AM »
All the best to you Mike, in these troubled times.

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« Reply #766 on: March 17, 2011, 05:48:18 AM »
We'll let you know.Never ran complete run,but I,m guessing high 12's @ 115-117mph if all goes well and we can improve 60ft. times.Bill
Mike,no stickers? :o
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I'll send some out tomorrow Bill. I've been a bit overwhelmed with personal events lately. It has been a very, very difficult week for me personally.
Mike,family,people first,hang in there brother,our thoughts and prayers with you.It'll get better.Bill
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #767 on: March 17, 2011, 05:51:50 AM »
So what was the best ET you guys cut in the 1/8 mile??? Sure, it will get better; just never got an over-all ET. Reaction time is a rider element, while ET and trap speed are more a measure of the machine. Can't wait to hear about the next outing!  ;D
9.12,.070 reaction time,2.51 60 ft.(better this week,it's killing us)6.61 last 600 ft.86.40 mph.Now you know! ;) ;D,Bill.....That was me,Sam probably do better!!! ;)Bill
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #768 on: March 17, 2011, 06:03:22 AM »
We'll let you know.Never ran complete run,but I,m guessing high 12's @ 115-117mph if all goes well and we can improve 60ft. times.Bill
Mike,no stickers? :o
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I'll send some out tomorrow Bill. I've been a bit overwhelmed with personal events lately. It has been a very, very difficult week for me personally.

Hey Murphy, stay strong Bro, you'll pull through this difficult time, thinking of you.

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« Reply #769 on: March 17, 2011, 06:31:03 AM »
Scotty,
     I'm the guy on the hot seat for how this bike runs. Nobody else viewing this topic seems to know much about the CV carbs that Sam is running. I've covered the why's on using the CV carbs many pages earlier.  In this case, good intentions led to carb soaking. Carb soaking led to removing part of the Dyna Jet jet kit. The parts were restrictors for the idle air jets on the inlets of the carbs. The carbs are early 80's GS750 Suzuki carbs. Without the restrictors, the idle circuit was running pig rich.
     When you load the motor against the rear brake to launch it, you force the torque converter to slip. The slippage puts a load onto the motor. The motor revs against the load of the converter. The converter has been modified to slip more before reaching the stall speed.(The rpm that stalls the motor) The more power that you can produce in the 3 - 4,000rpm range, the higher the rpm you can produce against the converter load. In that rpm range, the idle circuit controls most of the fuel/air ratio. So, rich idle circuit means low power in the bottom rpm ranges. The bike wouldn't even get to 3,000 rpm on the starting line, due to the rich condition. With the correct power in the lower ranges, you can load the motor on the starting line up to about 4,200 rpm. It makes a big, big difference in launching at 2,800 rpm vs 4,000 rpm! Even after the initial rear brake release, the motor has to continue pulling into the carb midrange circuits. If you're starting rich, it doesn't clear out until the midrange circuits take over. That's why the bike has stumbled off of the starting line and 100 feet down the track it looks like someone pushed the nitrous button! The posted videos show this.
     The jetting and gearing also haven't been optimized. We've tried to get close, but the testing at the track is the validation. There will be more changes in place by the time that Sam/Bill race this weekend. How much closer we get to what the bike wants will control what ET's/mph that it runs. If everything is right, I'm thinking low 12's at around 107 mph. If the gearing is off, he can run more mph at a higher ET.
     The numbers in testing don't matter. The results in competition are the goal here. Every other "race" bike buildup/competition listed in this forum covers vintage racing. We're not going "vintage" racing. Sam is racing against the Hayabusa's, the ZX-14's, and every other bike entered into this eliminator. Bracket racing doesn't care if you have a 70's bike or a bike from 2011! Bracket racing is consistency racing. I've run Hondamatics since 1985. The reason that I'm still running them is that I haven't found anything better for bracket racing.
     Sam has a much shorter window than normal for us to get the bike right. When you live "across the pond", your opportunities to race here are very limited. Sam is a very unique character, that I recommend that every SOHC member should try to meet. I'm flying 700+ miles to try to help him this weekend. Several regional members will also be attending. Stay tuned for this weekend's results! ;)
     Mike - in my thoughts as well.

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« Reply #770 on: March 17, 2011, 07:07:30 AM »
Very cool Sam and Bill
Thanks so much for the plug for my Company.

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« Reply #771 on: March 17, 2011, 07:50:47 AM »
Very cool Sam and Bill
Thanks so much for the plug for my Company.

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Are we testing tonight guys???

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« Reply #772 on: March 17, 2011, 09:10:28 AM »
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they are leaving this afternoon/evening for the Rock
They will practice/Test Friday night (as its cheaper)
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« Reply #773 on: March 17, 2011, 09:35:43 AM »
Mike,
     The jet kit is part number 3315. Stage 3 kit for the carbs. Money is always an object when building a motor. The carbs were affordable to me and thusly to Sam. Yes, there always are better parts if you can afford them. Since the demands for a drag hondamatic isn't just like a factory setup for a production bike, there will be some tweaking with jets, needles, slide holes, etc. to make it work right. The carbs worked very well for me after installing the kit. The jet kit was installed exactly as the instructions stated. The kit worked well enough that I didn't do anything more than a jet change beyond it. I believe that the restrictors were plastic (white nylon maybe?). Yes there was a "seating" tool used to place them. I used the supplied glue to ensure that the restrictors didn't come off. I didn't add any sealant that wasn't supplied. With that stated, and readily verifiable, I don't understand the confusion?
     Yes, I assume that many on the forums may have used CV carbs with jet kits years ago in non-SOHC 750 applications. The feedback on this forum recommending junking the carbs and going to parts yards for other carbs shows that they haven't had experience with the setup that I'm trying to get to work for Sam. Listening to the video clips after the carb cleaning didn't sound better to me. The runs down the track reflected what I posted in my last post. The bike is very rich on the bottom end.
     I really don't want to keep looking back on this build. We've got a couple of days to make Sam's dream real. That's what I'm concentrating on. Sorry if I offended anyone about their Mikuni CV carb knowledge.

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« Reply #774 on: March 17, 2011, 10:35:10 AM »
9.12,.070 reaction time,2.51 60 ft.(better this week,it's killing us)6.61 last 600 ft.86.40 mph.Now you know! ;) ;D,Bill.....That was me,Sam probably do better!!! ;)Bill

Thanks Bill. Sounds like you would have cut around high 13s in the quarter, even with the bog off the line!
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