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found a sandcast - here we go
« on: November 25, 2009, 04:07:42 AM »
My buddy who is a sand cast fanatic finally found one complete up in the backwaters of Modesto, CA. Serial # 4646. Yes, apparently they're still out there hiding as choppers or something. My question is how to get the black paint off the case without compromising the sand cast surface. I suggested paint remover and a hot jet from a late night car wash but you guys would know best. I think it would be fun to document this sand cast restoration.

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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 04:34:10 AM »
Very nice! I actually like the look of the chopper - the forks and bars look very comfy ;).

Good luck with the engine and looking forward to see what you do with it.

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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 04:38:54 AM »
You're right. That period in history is something the youngsters will never understand.

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 06:00:55 AM »
Nice find there. You might consider soda blasting the paint off. It won't touch the metal but will effectively remove the paint.
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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 06:02:56 AM »
I suggested paint remover and a hot jet from a late night car wash but you guys would know best.


That should work, if you're careful the paint stripper should remove the black paint without mucking up the factory paint, as the factory paint is more resilient than spray paint, which is likely what was used.

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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 06:42:19 AM »
I'd give something like oven-cleaner the first shot at this.  It'd definitely take off crappy spray-paint, but oughta leave the factory gray ok.

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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 07:14:01 AM »
The only CB750 chopper I like is the one the main bad guy in Every Which Way But Loose rode.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 07:30:54 AM »
rofl!!!! I forgot all about that!
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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 01:32:04 PM »
whatcha gonna do with all them "junky chopper" parts ;)
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 01:45:37 PM »
Frame looks to have been modded, how bad off is it?

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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 01:49:46 PM »
kevins750,
They're pretty groddy to be sure but there are four seats all in good shape too. Anyway tell me what you want from the picture and I'll get you more information on them. To answer your question - 'dispose of them'

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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 01:55:36 PM »
Yes mystic_1 you are correct. Good eye.
I guess that's why they call it 'chopped'
Anyway the rake is too much and it will need to be corrected because the frame is 4848 or something and matches the engine so it would significantly reduce the value to not use it. The fix is doable and no doubt worth it.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2009, 03:59:52 PM »
That's actually a nice looking bike mate, but the sad reality is that the only thing of value to a "collector" at the moment is the engine, or more accurately, the cases.

The frame will need a lot of engineering work to safely bring it back to stock, and most of the bits which make a complete sandcast so different from later K series CB750's (duck-tail seat, wrinkle tank, airbox, sidecovers, double cut front fender, shorty chain guard, 2 hole rear fender, K0 headlight and brackets, cable operated carbs, K0 swingarm, etc,) are all missing?

Do you intend to restore it? If so, you'll want to have fairly deep pockets and plenty of patience, I reckon you're looking at $5K minimum for the afore mentioned cosmetic parts, and (depending on whether you do it yourself or get an engineer to do it) $1K to sort the frame, then another couple to actually restore it back to "As new", as long as the engine is in excellent condition and doesn't need any work.

Still definitely worth it, a "mint" sandcast will fetch between 15 and 20K, (well, before the recession, at least) so as long as you can afford to do it properly, you'll make some big bucks. If you can't afford to "spend money to make money" then you could get a couple of thousand for it as it stands from someone like Andy (736cc here) as a restoration project, or you could just clean it up and ride it as a really cool Sandcast chopper, there won't be too many of them around now, ha ha!

Oh, and don't ever use oven cleaner on your cases, the chemicals will make the alloy castings go black. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 06:49:15 PM »
I may have a few parts for you.......One original seat in OK (not mint) condition but missing the strap - good pan and trim.......a set of carbs with the cable and a spare cable........restorable sidecovers...........shocks........maybe some wheels, forks, front brake, and headlamp ears.  I also know were there is a wrinkle tank for a price.  Let me know. Send $$$
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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 08:32:55 PM »
kevins750,
They're pretty groddy to be sure but there are four seats all in good shape too. Anyway tell me what you want from the picture and I'll get you more information on them. To answer your question - 'dispose of them'
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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 08:55:45 PM »
I'd keep it chopped, as the man said, not too many Sandcast choppers about. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 10:37:02 PM »
I think sandcast cases are bare, not painted..
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Re: found a sandcast - here we go
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 10:52:48 PM »
   Thats why he wants to remove the paint.
   As a member here said to me once, congratulations on your find, now welcome to our personal hell. Mine is not a sandy but needs many of the same resto parts. I have done well price wise so far but have decided mine will never be restored to original just appear to be to most people.
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 10:58:39 PM »
people were talking...

about saving the factory paint, under the black..

 maybe I should sandblast my 10,XXX cases.. just to make folks wonder..
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2009, 12:47:19 AM »
Ha ha Don, you remembered! ;D
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2009, 01:24:04 AM »
I'd keep it as a chopper. If only to p*ss off the Sandcast ("I'm running original 1969 Honda oil") Nazis.

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2009, 02:02:36 AM »
Hey Og, where can I get some of that genuine 1969 Sandcast oil? I'll swap you for some genuine factory Sandcast air that I've got stored in a couple of original Bridgestone tires I've got in my garage? I bought 'em on EBay and paid a bomb for them, but genuine Sandcast air is "unobtainium"! ;D
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2009, 02:27:06 AM »
I think sandcast cases are bare, not painted..

An area of debate for sure as I was of the same inclination....however I have changed my view and now firmly believe that they were all painted.....very hard to tell on some tho'

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 05:28:04 AM »
Thanks Old Scrambler,
I'll discuss with him and PM you.

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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2009, 07:52:29 AM »
Painted cases debate: I have engine number 260 and the cases were painted. I have asked this question to the sandcast only people and no clear answer came back.
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