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Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« on: December 01, 2009, 09:25:24 AM »
A local guys in LA told me he could powder coat EVERY PIECE of my bike for $350.

This is my first project bike so I am polling you guys.

IS THiS A GOOD DEAL? 
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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 09:35:13 AM »
It's a good deal for EVERY piece...if it's done well...a crappy deal if it's not done well lol.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 09:35:22 AM »
Might be a deal.... But we build custom car frames chassis and have a guy who fits complete chassis in for 300.00 does EXCELLENT work. We do them for 32-34 coupes.

Some guys have side business and you get it cheap and quality, so your guy may be one of them. It would cost more just for a quality paint job. I say go for it, if he does good work. Ask to see some of his stuff.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 09:37:55 AM »
Agreed, see some stuff he's powdercoated, does that include degreasing and blasting the parts? I'm assuming you also are doing the frame? Will he plug and mask holes etc to make it easier for you to get the bike back together? Does everything have to be the same color?
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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 09:44:02 AM »
For all pieces, yes a good deal!

I paid over 400
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 09:45:19 AM »
Agreed, see some stuff he's powdercoated, does that include degreasing and blasting the parts? I'm assuming you also are doing the frame? Will he plug and mask holes etc to make it easier for you to get the bike back together? Does everything have to be the same color?

Good questions to ask....... Don't forget to ask or your bill may go up.

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 10:10:45 AM »
Great questions guys!  I'll let you know what he says. 

In addition, he has a craigslist add with a bunch of black gloss powder coated parts he is selling...enjoy!

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/1488231560.html
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 10:37:00 AM »
Yeah...ask questions.  For example, I really want to get some parts powdercoated here in Pittsburgh, but I'm having a hell of a time finding anyone.  Sure, there are industrial powdercoaters - but I don't trust them to get an auto-finish or to not clog up all those little bolt holes.  On the other hand, my local shop used to have a guy, but he closed shop and the next person brought examples of his work, it wasn't up to par.


So, yeah....anyone know a powdercoat guy in Pittsburgh?   ;D

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 11:05:32 AM »
i just paid $650 for everything in two colors.  looks like glass and i did zero prep work

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 02:09:52 PM »
this is what he said about masking and different colors.  he didn't answer about sand blasting...

"taping is an xtra 75 bucks.  different colors have different set up fees.  if there is a run on red then red is cheap.  if it has to be set up then the price goes up 125 for a set up fee.  i just stick with black and its always the same price"


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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 02:59:18 PM »
No blasting= no deal (Unless you have it done), but I bet he charges extra for the prep work.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 03:58:53 PM »
Yeah, seems his cheap intro price is just that...and intro price. All the stuff that you would really want to be done brings you up to the same price as a high end powdercoating place that tells you a complete quote right up front.

I bet blasting is another charge on top of all that stuff...and unless you want everything black sounds like you'll be paying extra too...
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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 06:37:15 PM »
Like everyone said, if it's done well, it's a good deal.  But it seems like any color other than black with blasting (which is a must in my book) will cost you $550.

Some of the things I noticed in his pics.  His gloss black has a lot of orange peel in it.  Gloss black is the easiest color to get to look good.

Also his masking leaves a lot to be desired.  There are overruns on his triple trees.  Actually in looking at it, it looks like he might have coated the whole tree and than sanded off the powerdcoating in some places rather than making it.  The ridges where the handle bars sits are gone/sanded off.

For comparison sakes, here are some pics of the stuff we did with our home setup (which you can setup for less than $350 by the way).  We use a cheapie $50 Harbor Freight powder coating gun.

Hey crippler PM me with what parts you want coated.  You'd have to ship 'em to NJ but you never know what we can work out!

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 11:28:42 PM »
Hmm. not familiar with the prices in your country, but I never powdercoat if I am restoring a vintage Honda. I have never yet seen a powder painted frame with the correct black colour. The colour always have a shade of grey and looks "fat". Powder paint is strong and cheaper, yes, but I prefer the the "correct" black colour.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2009, 03:47:59 AM »
Just an opinion here;
 
 I use Powder-coating contractors in my Fab shop because: 

1) They coat things cheaper than I can paint them (My powder-coater blasts as well)
2) They can properly fininsh parts when it is 33F and raining
3) They do everything
4) My time is usually limited, and I loathe painting (I do not have a bay/booth set aside for this).
5) In case I did not mention this.... They do everything

An interesting consideration with powder coating is that it is not usually as hard of a finish as high quality 2-part auto/industrial paint.  Its sheer thickness, and "toughness" can make it seem more durable, but it is often a misconception that has more to do with PC being several times thicker than most painted finishes, and the fact that it is the same color all the way through when scratched.  Many powder coats also have poor UV resistance... Do your homework.  If you do the proper prep work, I.E. blast, sand lightly (to get embedded abrasive out of the metal), wash (I use PPG wax and grease remover, or unscented Dawn), prime with something good (I use 2-part epoxy primer), and a couple coats of a good 2-part finish (Note many base-clears are 1-part base, but k2 clear), you will have great chances of having a better finish, BUT will likely spend $2-400 to paint all the parts on your bike, and that will NOT include blasting, OR your labor. 

My opinion on PC'ing is that when properly prepped, and applied, it can be a good value that although not as hard, (remember that this trade-off is made up for by thickness), it is an acceptable compromise that allows me to drop off a pile-o parts, and get back to work on my project, or "paying job".  I look at it as a "convenience", but know that the quality is not what even I (not a painter) can do with a $35 spray gun.  Bear in mind though, that one mistake with your paint process (Mix ratios, moisture in the air lines, improper sweat-in on finishes that require it, waiting too long between base and clear w/o prepping the surface, poor weather conditions for those w/o a booth, etc...) can make you wish you had gone the PC route.   

Just some food for thought!

BTW: I just bought 1 pint of base (60's Pontiac metallic seafoam green), and one of clear, AND the necessary hardeners, reducers, etc... (I already had the $90/gal. primer) in the "house-brand" (Valspar IIRC) at my local paint shop.  This costed around $85, and will do the fuel tank, oil tank, and covers for one 750, and have enough left to shoot some little pcs and parts just for grins.   The sandblaster charged another $40.  I know you are dealing with a frame, and not a tank, but you can use the info for comparison.

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2009, 01:10:19 PM »
An interesting consideration with powder coating is that it is not usually as hard of a finish as high quality 2-part auto/industrial paint. 

I had never heard that before.  Interesting. 

It's interesting because the main reason I was going the powder route over paint is because I've always heard how much more durable it is (until you chip it.)  I guess that's because, like you say, it is so thick.  Gives me some food for thought.  (though, I'll probably still go that route.)

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2009, 09:42:07 PM »
Sounds like too good of a deal to me. Unlike painting all the labor for quailty PC is in the prep work. You can powdercoat rust and dirt just as easily as you can properly cleaned and blasted metal. If I can ever get back on my 76 bobber/ cafe project I'll show ya some powder coating.  Jay

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2009, 11:37:36 PM »
To beadblast and prepare frame and ALL other frame related parts for painting - not PC - I pay $440 in Norway, and that is defenitely in the cheap end of all the offers I got.

Includes frame, swingarm, bracket for gauges, headlight housing, holder ignition lock, upper tripple tree and lower, idiot lights, engine mounting brackets, battery box, all 4 footrests, centerstand and side stand and exhaust brackets.

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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2009, 01:57:49 PM »
No blasting= no deal (Unless you have it done), but I bet he charges extra for the prep work.

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He actually only charges extra for the taping.  Sandblast, acid dip and powder coating is all included in the price.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2010, 07:39:00 PM »
bry, I think I called this guy too; seen him via craigs. I live in l.a. He was actually charging me $175 for just the frame..I'm sure extra charge for other parts...I've seen his work only on pictures..'but' I'd like to see how he does it and how he preps the whole procedure first..I don't wanna make the same mistake, I'd rather pay extra for a real pro p/c.. I'm still browsing around and comparing and you should do too...go see him first take a look at his work closely..There another place in sun valley; I forgot the name but I'll let you know once I find them..good luck
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2010, 11:38:01 AM »
Hey, i2edman!  I'm convinced he is a middle man...   He musta found someone who does his bulk orders really cheap so he rounds up dudes like us so he can build up his order.  Then marks it up for the service...

You have a cb project?  ...if so we should meet up...and swap notes.  where exactly do you live?
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2010, 08:24:35 PM »
Hey, i2edman!  I'm convinced he is a middle man...   He musta found someone who does his bulk orders really cheap so he rounds up dudes like us so he can build up his order.  Then marks it up for the service...

You have a cb project?  ...if so we should meet up...and swap notes.  where exactly do you live?


got it I might wanna check him out first though..yeah sure thing bro. I live around silverlake area..hit me up whenever..I'm always in my garage as usual..
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Re: Powder Coating - Deal or No Deal??
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 06:33:12 PM »
A local guys in LA told me he could powder coat EVERY PIECE of my bike for $350.

This is my first project bike so I am polling you guys.

IS THiS A GOOD DEAL? 

Ha, what a trip! I just dropped all my stuff off with this guy on Tuesday! He said it should all be done in about 10 days, I'll post lots of photos when I get it back. I didn't do any prep work, just handed him the frame and the swing arm, stands, mounts, etc. I'm optimistic about it, but it does seem just a little too good to be true. If it all works out I'm going to take my wheels to him as well, and of course refer all you dudes.
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 07:09:20 PM »

Ha, what a trip! I just dropped all my stuff off with this guy on Tuesday! He said it should all be done in about 10 days, I'll post lots of photos when I get it back. I didn't do any prep work, just handed him the frame and the swing arm, stands, mounts, etc. I'm optimistic about it, but it does seem just a little too good to be true. If it all works out I'm going to take my wheels to him as well, and of course refer all you dudes.

Awesome!  Let us know...hope it all works out for you!
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2010, 08:55:24 AM »

Ha, what a trip! I just dropped all my stuff off with this guy on Tuesday! He said it should all be done in about 10 days, I'll post lots of photos when I get it back. I didn't do any prep work, just handed him the frame and the swing arm, stands, mounts, etc. I'm optimistic about it, but it does seem just a little too good to be true. If it all works out I'm going to take my wheels to him as well, and of course refer all you dudes.

Awesome!  Let us know...hope it all works out for you!
bryce. just sent out my frame to be powdered last week. I didn't go to this guys from craigslist. He said that he does it at home (had bad experience about those) plus he was kind of rude over the phone he charges additional price for each little items plus more expensive for the colored ones.. I went to Atlantis in sunset on silverlake I paid 380 flat! no tax for everything you could think of every parts..I picked silver/chrome almost identical to chrome with no additional fee. When I went and saw that color for their customer who just got it done, I had to get done that day. It looked fU*(kin awesome! takes only a week. let u know.
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