Author Topic: Darn it! (Read 5530 times)

sparty · « **on:** December 12, 2009, 11:29:10 AM »

Wanted to take the Hot Rod for a spin today before winter really sets in. My battery would not turn it over. It is showing 12 volts, but I guess it doesn't have enough juice left to crank it over - 3 year old battery.

ready to sore it for winter I guess.

Here are some pics.

Don R · « **Reply #1 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:32:08 AM »

Sweet, don't blame you, I want to ride it too!

Gordon · « **Reply #2 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:33:34 AM »

Soichiro foresaw this issue decades ago...

Kick-start that beast and ride it!!!!!

sparty · « **Reply #3 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:40:28 AM »

Quote from: Gordon on December 12, 2009, 11:33:34 AM

Soichiro foresaw this issue decades ago...

Kick-start that beast and ride it!!!!!

I wish I could kick start it. My kick starter is broken - something internal is locked up.

chrislib · « **Reply #4 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:44:18 AM »

Bump start it

Gordon · « **Reply #5 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:45:03 AM »

Quote from: chrislib on December 12, 2009, 11:44:18 AM

Bump start it

Or jump start it. Come on Sparty, you have options!

MötleyRöx · « **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:49:17 AM »

Just stare at it some more and take some great pictures for us to ooogle.

Great lighting on that bright snow blinding day for pictures, believe it or not.

Deltarider · « **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:56:33 AM »

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It is showing 12 volts, but I guess it doesn't have enough juice left to crank it over

A 12 Volts battery that shows 12 volts is almost dead.
A 100% charged battery in rest will show around 12,7 volts
   80% 12,5 V
   70% 12,4 V
   60% 12,3 V
   50% 12,2 V
   40% 12,1 V
   20% 11,9 V
   0% 11,6 V

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:13:40 PM »

What a way to ruin a nice fall day.

Are you using a Battery Tender?

Deltarider · « **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:32:19 PM »

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Are you using a Battery Tender?

One doesn't have to. When you don't use your bike for a longer period of time a batterycharge every five weeks is more than enough. There's no need to charge if battery reads 12,5 volts or more. All together tenders consume a lot of power worldwide and there's always a risk of fire. If insurance companies find out, you have a problem.

If you allow me: they've calculated that in all of Europe two coalburning powerplants work around the clock just to generate the electricity for... our doorbelltrafos! I repeat: our doorbelltrafos, two coalburning powerplants. They only ring a few seconds a day (if at all) and all that time, 24 hours per day valuable energy is lost in... heat. It's the same with all these tenders.

ANVkevin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:58:40 PM »

That bike is gorgeous man!

sparty · « **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:18:40 PM »

Quote from: Jerry Rxman Griffin on December 12, 2009, 12:13:40 PM

What a way to ruin a nice fall day.

Are you using a Battery Tender?

I do sue a tender, but I guess the battery has had its day. Max charge I could get is around 12.3 volts.

I have a new AMG battery still in the box. I guess I'll add the acid and get it to full charge.

Deltarider · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:34:48 PM »

Best way to treat a new battery. Add acid* and leave battery alone for about an hour and a half. Then charge battery up to 14,4 volts with around 1 amp load (1,5 amp max!). Disconnect charger. Done.
*Take care not to spill acid on battery. This can create leakpaths.

6adan · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:42:25 PM »

If you have a AGM it should be ready to go. They are a sealed battery.

sparty · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:56:25 PM »

Quote from: 6adan on December 12, 2009, 01:42:25 PM

If you have a AGM it should be ready to go. They are a sealed battery.

The AGM that I bought needs to be filled first. I bought it unfilled so that I could store it until spring. It is a DEKA, very nice battery.

Gordon · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2009, 02:52:10 PM »

I didn't know it was possible to fill an AGM battery. $:-\$

smokeygold · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2009, 03:26:26 PM »

Quote from: sparty on December 12, 2009, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: Jerry Rxman Griffin on December 12, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
What a way to ruin a nice fall day.

Are you using a Battery Tender?

I do sue a tender, but I guess the battery has had its day. Max charge I could get is around 12.3 volts.

I have a new AMG battery still in the box. I guess I'll add the acid and get it to full charge.

Don't sue the tender! It will not work...use it instead!

Gordon · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2009, 06:16:13 PM »

Quote from: MötleyRöx on December 12, 2009, 05:20:04 PM

Sealed or not, they all need to be filled initially...

Thanks, but I'm hoping you knew that's not what I was talking about. I meant by the consumer.

Gordon · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2009, 06:33:54 PM »

Quote from: MötleyRöx on December 12, 2009, 06:25:55 PM

No, actually, not how it came across to me... but that's ok.
I'm sure you meant it tongue in cheek.

Perhaps you should stick around for a while and get to know people here before trying to "school" anyone.

Tnutz · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:25:14 PM »

common sense would tell you that. As an electrician, i can tell you....you don't fill AGM batteries.

754 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:30:50 PM »

Geeezz, how many percent is my battery?
It reads 6.8 volts after I run it!

Neutral light up bright.

and its less when I start it, sometimes you can barely see neutral light..

But I never use e-start... mayybe when I am 75 or 80 I will..

Deltarider · « **Reply #21 on:** December 13, 2009, 03:46:27 AM »

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Geeezz, how many percent is my battery?
It reads 6.8 volts after I run it!

Must be a 6 V battery, a 12 V battery that shows 6,8 V is no more, it's dead, stiff, it has perished and certainly hasn't the energy left to go and see it's maker.

Sure, you can prolong the use of your battery a lot by kickstarting. The original Yuasa and the second one on mine each lived 7 years, be it that the 7th year I was not able to e-start.

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2009, 09:42:35 AM »

Quote from: 754 on December 12, 2009, 07:30:50 PM

Geeezz, how many percent is my battery?
It reads 6.8 volts after I run it! Neutral light up bright.

and its less when I start it, sometimes you can barely see neutral light..

But I never use e-start... mayybe when I am 75 or 80 I will..

Frank,

I think you're running at about 50%................ Now about your battery....

What weight oil do you use in your battery

754 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2009, 10:06:38 AM »

Delta, how much voltage do you think a starter uses?
Not saying that I know.

I do know this, years ago we had a stock size battery in a 750 with a dead cell. Drilled holes in top, soldered a jumper across the dead cell, and closed up the holes. It e started (just fine), in summer weather, after that.. so I am thinking around 10 volts.

Also I have been able to estart, warmed up motors with a 5.5 amp battery..

Deltarider · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2009, 10:23:05 AM »

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Delta, how much voltage do you think a starter uses?
Not saying that I know.

Nothing uses voltage, an electric starter (CB500) draws around a 100 amps, that's a consumption of well over 1200 Watts. That's a lot. As a rule of thumb: when - during an e-start - voltage drops below 9 volts, consider your battery shot (if it was well charged).

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I do know this, years ago we had a stock size battery in a 750 with a dead cell. Drilled holes in top, soldered a jumper across the dead cell, and closed up the holes. It e started (just fine), in summer weather, after that.. so I am thinking around 10 volts.

Also I have been able to estart, warmed up motors with a 5.5 amp battery..

Amazing.

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Author Topic: Darn it! (Read 5530 times)

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