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Offline cafenut

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struts or shocks? differances?
« on: December 13, 2009, 07:44:17 PM »
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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 07:47:48 PM »
 all i can figure out in 31 years is a shock mounts on both ends usually with eyelets, while with a strut the shaft mounts directly to the object (car, truck, bike suspension)
the two eyelets allow dynamic or pivoting/rotating mounting points on both ends vs static on one end of a strut

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 08:09:35 PM »
good point. good food for thought.
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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 06:30:05 AM »
I think in the motorcycle world, a strut is completely solid allowing for a "rigid" rear end.

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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 06:35:13 AM »
One reduces forces one does not.
Yep, i have issues with this sort of stuff.

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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 06:59:05 AM »
Run over a pothole with struts and then you will find out the difference. ;D

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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 07:10:24 AM »
Run over a pothole with struts and then you will find out the difference. ;D

LOL........ struts (drags) shocks (street)  ;D

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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 08:13:15 AM »


"The function is essentially the same, but the largest difference is the way they mount to the vehicle. The strut design acts an integral part of the suspension by replacing the upper control arm and acting as a pivot point for the steering."

http://www.kyb.com/technical/faq/faq15.php

but it looks like the motorcycle world has created its own definition... until someone comes up with a completely "new" suspension design
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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 08:14:06 AM »
Don't confuse the meaning of "strut".  Many people make this mistake because of the popularity of MacPherson struts which are a very specific device in cars where the support member is also part of the steering system.

Generally speaking a strut is any structural component designed to resist longitudinal compression.  How it does so and to what degree it does so is dependent on the designed application.

Shock absorbers, as we know them on motorcycles, are one specific type of strut.

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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 08:22:06 AM »
Don't confuse the meaning of "strut".  Many people make this mistake because of the popularity of MacPherson struts which are a very specific device in cars where the support member is also part of the steering system.

Generally speaking a strut is any structural component designed to resist longitudinal compression.  How it does so and to what degree it does so is dependent on the designed application.

Shock absorbers, as we know them on motorcycles, are one specific type of strut.

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he is smart, and webster seems to agree

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1.   any of various structural members, as in trusses, primarily intended to resist longitudinal compression.

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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 08:42:32 AM »
Don't confuse the meaning of "strut".  Many people make this mistake because of the popularity of MacPherson struts which are a very specific device in cars where the support member is also part of the steering system.

Generally speaking a strut is any structural component designed to resist longitudinal compression.  How it does so and to what degree it does so is dependent on the designed application.

Shock absorbers, as we know them on motorcycles, are one specific type of strut.

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Agreed. In the context of the OP question, having been made on a motorcycle board, I'm guessing he means motorcycle struts which are simply soild rods with no give.

To further the answer to the question, struts on a motorcycle are done for mainly 2 reasons. In the drag race context mentioned, struts will concentrate weight transfer to the rear wheel, whereas a shock would absorb a lot of it, reducing the launch. The 2nd reason as also alluded to, is to mimic a "hardtail" suspension for aesthetics. In reality most hardtail frames are longer and with the seat in the middle, don't provide as harsh a ride as a standard length frame with struts would.

Though I hope to never experience either.
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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 10:56:02 AM »
The above is what I was referring to. That has been my understanding of struts as pertaining to motorcycles.

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 11:01:06 AM »
Some motorcycle 'struts' actually have springs but solid ones are the most common.



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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 06:13:45 PM »
i was refering to an absorbing device with internal components. sorry. never really thought of all the veriations.
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Re: struts or shocks? differances?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 06:38:57 PM »
i was refering to an absorbing device with internal components. sorry. never really thought of all the veriations.
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