Topic: can this boat sink?

[mlinder]

if you poke a hole in a boat and the water squirts over the side, will it sink?

I don't think I fully understand the question...
Is the hole poked in the bottom of the boat?  And you're asking, if the water comes up through the hole, will the boat still float or sink?  

He's asking if the hole was poked in the bottom of the boat, and that water had enough pressure to be shot outside the boat, would it sink....
Don't ruin it with the obvious, Soi

I had my explanation typed up, but I deleted it so as not to ruin the fun for everyone else.  I'll just state my conclusion.  And this should leave many of you scratching your heads...

The boat sinks.  And believe it or not, the way the problem is stated, it sinks even if there wasn't a hole.  

cause eventually it'll rot or rust and sinking?

Nope.

[mlinder]

Man, I need to stay out of this for a while. No more posting from me for another hour, at least, in this thread.

[sangyo soichiro]

if you poke a hole in a boat and the water squirts over the side, will it sink?

I don't think I fully understand the question...
Is the hole poked in the bottom of the boat?  And you're asking, if the water comes up through the hole, will the boat still float or sink?  

He's asking if the hole was poked in the bottom of the boat, and that water had enough pressure to be shot outside the boat, would it sink....
Don't ruin it with the obvious, Soi

I had my explanation typed up, but I deleted it so as not to ruin the fun for everyone else.  I'll just state my conclusion.  And this should leave many of you scratching your heads...

The boat sinks.  And believe it or not, the way the problem is stated, it sinks even if there wasn't a hole.  

cause eventually it'll rot or rust eventually sinking?

Like mlinder said, no.  There is no trickery with wording or anything like that.  I based my conclusion on the physics involved.

[BeSeeingYou]

Hedley Lamarr:     
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.


Taggart:    

Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a 20-dollar whore.

I don't know who Hedley Lamarr is but I sure do like Hedy Lamarr.

[mlinder]

Hedley Lamarr:     
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.


Taggart:    

Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a 20-dollar whore.

I don't know who Hedley Lamarr is but I sure do like Hedy Lamarr.

Yowsa!

[Retro Rocket]

The way the question was posed, if the water entering through the hole never came inside the boat then nothing changes...the boat will not sink, water has to be coming into the boat to make it sink, also if it is made of wood or glass, it will only fill with water if the water stays in the boat, it will not sink. A steel displacement hull would sink but again only if the water stays inside the hull. Another thing to throw in to the mix is that if the boat is moving and the bungs are taken out of the transom the boat will not sink either. This is all assuming that it is a small hole as it must be for the water to "squirt" over the side..

Mick

[Industrial Cafe]

if you poke a hole in a boat and the water squirts over the side, will it sink?

I don't think I fully understand the question...
Is the hole poked in the bottom of the boat?  And you're asking, if the water comes up through the hole, will the boat still float or sink?  

He's asking if the hole was poked in the bottom of the boat, and that water had enough pressure to be shot outside the boat, would it sink....
Don't ruin it with the obvious, Soi

I had my explanation typed up, but I deleted it so as not to ruin the fun for everyone else.  I'll just state my conclusion.  And this should leave many of you scratching your heads...

The boat sinks.  And believe it or not, the way the problem is stated, it sinks even if there wasn't a hole.  

cause eventually it'll rot or rust eventually sinking?

Like mlinder said, no.  There is no trickery with wording or anything like that.  I based my conclusion on the physics involved.

care to enlighten the ignorant masses?  (me)

[Retro Rocket]

Yes...enlighten me as well. My Dad worked in the boating industry in Aus for more than 50 years i have spent my whole life on the water and have been in plenty of "leaky" boats, even bailing the water with a bucket stopped it from sinking so if the water from said hole leaves the boat of its own accord i would love to know how it sinks...

Mick

[Markcb750]

Hedley Lamarr:     
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.


Taggart:    

Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a 20-dollar whore.

I don't know who Hedley Lamarr is but I sure do like Hedy Lamarr.

Yowsa!

Ya know, if I look at that picture without my reading glasses it looks like her bottom is smoking.  

[Industrial Cafe]

oh, it is!

[MötleyRöx]

Retro... this is not about an external force baling water, or pumping water.

This relates to if a boat had the force to spray all of its oncoming water over the edge... what would be happening to the boat.

This question relates to a single moment in time... this exact description of a boat can only sustain itself so long.  

But you knew that.

[MötleyRöx]

to further the point... retro, you, most likely, have NEVER experienced this scenario in your life.

[Retro Rocket]

Retro... this is not about an external force baling water, or pumping water.

This relates to if a boat had the force to spray all of its oncoming water over the edge... what would be happening to the boat.

This question relates to a single moment in time... this exact description of a boat can only sustain itself so long.  

But you knew that.

I KNOW THAT.......once again read the WHOLE post......

Mick

[BeSeeingYou]

My only thought is that for the water to squirt over the side the boat already has to be sinking.  The water will only squirt as high as the level of the water on the outside of the boat.

[Retro Rocket]

I'll make it a little clearer for you....

so if the water from said hole leaves the boat of its own accord i would love to know how it sinks...

Mick

[Markcb750]

Methinks it must be the fact that the experiment is conducted south of the equator.

[6pkrunner]

If the weight of the water it displaces is less than how much the boat weighs, it will float. If the weight of the water it displaces is more water than it weighs, it will sink. Water spouting out of holes or not.
Archimedes Principle of buoyancy.

[Retro Rocket]

My only thought is that for the water to squirt over the side the boat already has to be sinking.  The water will only squirt as high as the level on the outside of the boat.

You have to take into account the pressure created by the weight the boat displaces first as this would add pressure to the leak....

Mick

[BeSeeingYou]

My only thought is that for the water to squirt over the side the boat already has to be sinking.  The water will only squirt as high as the level on the outside of the boat.

You have to take into account the pressure created by the weight the boat displaces first as this would add pressure to the leak....

Mick

I should know this as I have several boats but I just never drill holes in them while in the water to study the effect.

[sangyo soichiro]

IndustrialCafe, you should turn this question into a poll.  A simple "it sinks", or "it floats".  I'd like to see how people vote.

I wish I had thought of this question.  It is that good!  

[BeSeeingYou]

How about some more from Hedy.

[Retro Rocket]

to further the point... retro, you, most likely, have NEVER experienced this scenario in your life.

I think your assumption is as dumb as most of your other posts mate......I grew upon the water and still live a mile from Moreton Bay, i have worked as a professional fisherman as well traveling hundreds of miles out to sea at a time. I have 2 boats currently and have been using boats since i could walk, i have never experienced the scenario mentioned before because all the leaky boats i have been in leaked water into the boat, none ever sank, so if the water coming into the boat left of its own accord i can see no reason as to why it would sink.
Enlighten us with your years of experience on the water please, i would just love to know.

Mick

[Retro Rocket]

My only thought is that for the water to squirt over the side the boat already has to be sinking.  The water will only squirt as high as the level on the outside of the boat.

You have to take into account the pressure created by the weight the boat displaces first as this would add pressure to the leak....

Mick

I should know this as I have several boats but I just never drill holes in them while in the water to study the effect.

Me either....i have a small tender i may just have to experiment with although i doubt it displaces enough water to get mre than a dribble....

Mick

[BeSeeingYou]

My only thought is that for the water to squirt over the side the boat already has to be sinking.  The water will only squirt as high as the level on the outside of the boat.

You have to take into account the pressure created by the weight the boat displaces first as this would add pressure to the leak....

Mick

I should know this as I have several boats but I just never drill holes in them while in the water to study the effect.

Me either....i have a small tender i may just have to experiment with although i doubt it displaces enough water to get mre than a dribble....

Mick

Think of it this way.  If you have a thru hull open on the bottom of the boat with a hose attached and run this up the side of the boat the water level in the hose will only reach as high as the water on the outside.  I have the same effect with my 17 foot daysailor.  It has an open centerboard slot but the top of the slot is above the waterline of the boat so no water comes in.  Now if I load the boat up with 6 or 7 people and get the deck down to the water level water will pour in from the slot.   I don't believe the water would shoot over the side unless the sides were already at or below the water level.

[Joel]

if you poke a hole in a boat and the water squirts over the side, will it sink?

I don't think I fully understand the question...
Is the hole poked in the bottom of the boat?  And you're asking, if the water comes up through the hole, will the boat still float or sink?  

He's asking if the hole was poked in the bottom of the boat, and that water had enough pressure to be shot outside the boat, would it sink....
Don't ruin it with the obvious, Soi

I had my explanation typed up, but I deleted it so as not to ruin the fun for everyone else.  I'll just state my conclusion.  And this should leave many of you scratching your heads...

The boat sinks.  And believe it or not, the way the problem is stated, it sinks even if there wasn't a hole.  

Exactly.

And probably pretty quickly.