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Offline Nikkisixx

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I hate selling motorcycles!
« on: December 19, 2009, 06:00:07 PM »
There was a recent post about purchasing a bike with some great responses, but it made me think of a times when I was on the flip side of the coin. What do y'all do when selling or any horror stories?  I'll start:
 
Some time ago I listed a 250 Nighthawk on CL.  A decent $800 daily driver, sweet running, but with the typical cosmetic issues of a 10 year old "starter bike".  This yahoo shows up out of the woodwork.  They have the finest tool set harbor freight sells and are prepared to remove plugs - "hey, this ain't 5/8 or 13/16!"  to run a compression test (on a cold bike).  When I politely ask "why don't we start it up", yahoo jumps aboard and tries to turn the key to make it start.  I point out the finer features of push button starting, and yeehaa!!!! he starts revin' the nuts off her!  Bike is cold and he's twisting the needle out of the tach.  He's ready for a ride now, but I pull the plug on that since he won't produce proof of motorcycle endorsement.  Yahoo gets pissy and says no test ride, no deal. That bike finally found a new home with someone else, but I hate selling my toys  >:(
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 06:51:50 PM »
I hate selling bikes too, I had a really nice Kawasaki Z900 for sale 22 years ago, I advertised it in the "trading Post" and got heaps of calls, one Sunday I stayed home all day for an assshole who wanted to see it, then when he finally turned up, he walked thru my house to the back door, saw that it wasn't a "Jaffa" (Brown/orange tank model) and just turned around and walked out. 

I sold a "mint" Yamaha XT500 to a work colleague, it was a great bike with less than 5000 miles on the speedo, then one day I overheard him telling another guy I know that I'd ripped him off, the engine was screwed, and he'd spent thousands getting it fixed. I confronted him in front of the other guy and reminded him that I'd only sold it to him two weeks prior and he'd ridden it to work every day, so just when had he had all this expensive work done on a 5000 mile old engine? He apologised and admitted lying his asss off, so I left him in no doubt that he was lucky I didn't knock all his teeth out, the creep.

Apart from that I've had pretty good experiences with bikes I've sold, mainly because I've bought them as wrecks, spent way too much money on them making them damn near perfect, then sold them at a loss. Oh well..............  ;D
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 06:54:01 PM »
sounds like you let him be in charge until the last moment. He wouldn't have even touched my bike unless I let him. And test rides are out of the question unless $ is in hand. I also have pulled the plates so that they are quite limited in their riding options.
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 08:15:38 PM »
There was a recent post about purchasing a bike with some great responses, but it made me think of a times when I was on the flip side of the coin. What do y'all do when selling or any horror stories?  I'll start:
 
Some time ago I listed a 250 Nighthawk on CL.  A decent $800 daily driver, sweet running, but with the typical cosmetic issues of a 10 year old "starter bike".  This yahoo shows up out of the woodwork.  They have the finest tool set harbor freight sells and are prepared to remove plugs - "hey, this ain't 5/8 or 13/16!"  to run a compression test (on a cold bike).  When I politely ask "why don't we start it up", yahoo jumps aboard and tries to turn the key to make it start.  I point out the finer features of push button starting, and yeehaa!!!! he starts revin' the nuts off her!  Bike is cold and he's twisting the needle out of the tach.  He's ready for a ride now, but I pull the plug on that since he won't produce proof of motorcycle endorsement.  Yahoo gets pissy and says no test ride, no deal. That bike finally found a new home with someone else, but I hate selling my toys  >:(

Good thing you didn't allow a test crash!  Seems like the kind of idiot that would've dumped it right out of the driveway and then would say "naw, I don't like this one" and leave you with a wreck.   
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 08:57:30 PM »
I've never let anyone ride a bike I have sold...!, conversely I have never insisted on riding a bike I have bought either ! I have asked the seller to ride the bike up and down the road to 'observe' the sound of the motor and how the owner uses or abuses it !!, can be very telling IMO and has decided more than once if I want the bike or not !!!
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 09:13:54 PM »
I've never let anyone ride a bike I have sold...!, conversely I have never insisted on riding a bike I have bought either ! I have asked the seller to ride the bike up and down the road to 'observe' the sound of the motor and how the owner uses or abuses it !!, can be very telling IMO and has decided more than once if I want the bike or not !!!

That's a good idea! Haven't thought of doing that. Of course, I've never bought a running bike.

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2009, 11:31:53 PM »
years ago ive driven a long way to see a dirt bike,on the phone the guy tells me its going ok in good condition etc!!what a waste of time,when i get there the guys already trying to kick it over(it was an early water cooled yz250 i think),,its obviously not going to start,as this is going on im glancing over the heap,one grip missing,bald knobbies,broken clutch lever,real slack filthy chain,being water cooled im guessing thats all corroded aswell,i was there 3 minutes,i called him a name then left.when i sold a vf750 the guy wanted my helmet!!!i asked havent you got one?it made the deal so i let him have my sweaty dandruff bucket!

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 01:17:52 AM »
"sweaty dandruff bucket"?!?! That's pretty gross.  Remind never to ride behind you in a peleton.  ;-)

I went with a friend to buy a bike years ago.  We didn't know much about bikes at the time, but he took it for a test ride.  100 yards later he dropped it going around a turn.  He brought it back apologizing profusely... until we noticed the shine on the tires.  Turns out the moron owner had armoralled the tires.  They were so slippery there was no way they were going to do their task.  The guy apologized and we took off.

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 01:42:03 AM »
Armour-alled the entire tire, priceless.  :D
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 06:51:28 AM »
I've never let anyone ride a bike I have sold...!, conversely I have never insisted on riding a bike I have bought either ! I have asked the seller to ride the bike up and down the road to 'observe' the sound of the motor and how the owner uses or abuses it !!, can be very telling IMO and has decided more than once if I want the bike or not !!!

Someone here said to let the prospective buyer test ride it as long as you could hold a deposit equal to the purchase price. 
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2009, 07:09:58 AM »
I always look at a bike that I am interested in with an open mind. But I always say that I know nothing about motorbikes, then proceed to pick out all of the faults that I can see. I then say that if I can do this, without knowing what i'm looking at, what else is wrong with it. This always makes coming to an agreement on the price a lot easier.
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 07:56:16 AM »
Well I broker alot of bikes for people and my policy is no test rides unless I see a valid M/C endorsement on the DL and have a deposit in hand. My reason for this is a "customer" went for a test ride at my shop and never returned ! The bike had no tag and was a very generic gsxr 600, we never found it or the perp and had to use our insurance to cover the loss !
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 11:12:28 AM »
I love it when I get "educated" on the bikes that I am selling by buyers.

"Yeah, these motors always wear out at at 18,000 miles. So I will have to pay a shop to rebuild it for 2987498324978 dollars. So will you take 1/4 of your asking price?"


Lately I have been getting a lot of SOB stories, some almost comically bad. I sympathize with your situation but it has no place when I have a FIRM price listed...
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 11:41:09 AM »
Well I broker alot of bikes for people and my policy is no test rides unless I see a valid M/C endorsement on the DL and have a deposit in hand. My reason for this is a "customer" went for a test ride at my shop and never returned ! The bike had no tag and was a very generic gsxr 600, we never found it or the perp and had to use our insurance to cover the loss !
A friend of mine was selling a H-D Sportster.  He did not notice that the guy was walking, with no other vehicle in sight.  He let the guy test ride and is still waiting for him to return.  This was about 7 years ago.  A neighbor was taking a picture of a family member and caught the perp on film.  The photo was published in the local paper.  No one could ID the guy, but everybody in town was asking why he let him test the bike.  To add insult to injury, he had cancelled the insurance on the bike. 
Last summer, I helped a neighbor repair a co-workers Sportster he wanted to sell.  After the repairs, the guy parked it on a busy street about 8 blocks from a outlaw motorcycle clubhouse.  It lasted 1 night there, even the chain that secured it was missing.  Again, no insurance.

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 02:07:59 PM »
The only one that's really chapped me was my Ducati - which I sold earlier this year. The guy calls me, turns out we know each other thru a mutual friend. He says he wants the bike, but cant pay my price because of some weird OCD thing he has about numbers (it was priced to sell not negotiate). I'm like, fine .. you can have it for $500 less than my FIRM price. Then he says, 'here's my address, can you bring it to me?' WTF? Fine, I'll bring it to you. When I get to his house .. I was fuming. He lived on 14 acre estate in richie-rich Atlanta. His garage had something like $10-15 million worth of old race cars in mint condition (A/C Cobra, GT-40, Lolas, etc). Here I am selling my dream bike cause I felt I was getting hosed on the cost of insurance, taking a loss selling it, and delivering it to his door step ... and this yahoo is a gazillon-aire.  :'(

He bought the Duc for a 'pit bike'.

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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2009, 02:10:29 PM »
Lately I have been getting a lot of SOB stories, some almost comically bad. I sympathize with your situation but it has no place when I have a FIRM price listed...

SOB as in boohoo or son of a #$%*? haha

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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2009, 02:37:17 PM »
Lately I have been getting a lot of SOB stories, some almost comically bad. I sympathize with your situation but it has no place when I have a FIRM price listed...

SOB as in boohoo or son of a #$%*? haha

Hah, Boohoo type. Luckily I have never got any of the other. Yet...
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2009, 06:11:51 PM »
I went recently to look at a 4k mile CB550, over the phone the owner described the bike as showroom, almost perfect, stored in a basement, with only a crack in each plastic sidecover, recent tuneup, good tires; you get the picture. This was the description after several calls totaling an hour.

When I got there what I saw was a turd of a bike: bent rims, seized brake,rusty, the sidecovers were cracked into 3 pieces, barely running, you could have grown grass in the air filter it was so dirty, barely running. It was 'showroom' if your showroom was the weeds behind your shed. He was asking $1100, I offered $900 (don't know why). He didn't accept( thank god) and I left. While I was there another person came up and asked if this was the 550 for sale, I said yes, he looked at it turnedaround and left (he was told the same story). The seller was a junkyard, I'm sorry I spent 6 hours round trip to see this pile of dung. He still has it listed on CL but now it's down to $950, a**hole!

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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2009, 10:45:51 PM »
yeah bmarshall,now if i ring for a bike for sale i have to ask a little rudley like,im not wasting my time coming to see it am i ?i guess weve all gone far and wide to see bikes or parts and what youve been told compared to what you find when you get there are worlds apart.

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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2009, 02:05:03 AM »
Yeah, the idiot that takes no time to understand whatever the hell he is selling, took no time or money to maintain while he had it, did more damage than good with the "mad, crazy mods" he inflicted on it but sure as hell wants to ask way, way more than the damn thing is worth. I have wasted more than one lunch hour on those special type of bozos looking at their overpriced pieces of #$%*.
 
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Re: I hate selling motorcycles!
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2009, 06:55:18 AM »
I've never let anyone ride a bike I have sold...!, conversely I have never insisted on riding a bike I have bought either ! I have asked the seller to ride the bike up and down the road to 'observe' the sound of the motor and how the owner uses or abuses it !!, can be very telling IMO and has decided more than once if I want the bike or not !!!


Great idea, especialy if the tires are greased up  :o.   I would happily ride up and down the street and run a compression test for a buyer as well, but I doubt anyone will get to take test rides from me again.  Just not worth the hassles.
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2009, 08:34:17 AM »
I road a couple hours on the back of my dad's Harley to look at a CB750 to buy.  The guy was asking about $200 more than what I wanted to pay, but I thought I might be able to negotiate.

We get there and the guy insists that everything on the bike is original...
I point out the Harley rim that's on the back (not original),
the Meier brand replacement side cover that's on the left side (not original, and doesn't even match the other side!),
the 4 into 1 exhaust (it was a K model, not a Super Sport, but even then you could see it was aftermarket),
AND THE CHOPPED FRONT FENDER (that really bugged me and ultimately was the deal breaker).


So I passed.  I didn't care that it wasn't original... just don't lie to me!   >:(

Then my dad and I got caught in a rain storm on the way back.   >:(
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2009, 12:54:29 PM »
In 1972, I sold my first motorcycle.  It was my 70 1/2 CB450.  It was immaculate.  Always parked inside, well maintained.  The kid that bought it paid the asking price.  When he came to pick it up, I had pushed it out of the garage into the driveway.  I gave him the key and the title.  He started it up and took off at wide open throttle.  When he got to the corner and hit the highway, I could hear him redlining that cold engine.  I often wonder how long that bike lasted.

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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2009, 05:27:51 PM »
Last bike I sold; 1976 KH400, mint condition with less than 3,000 original miles. Guy paid full price and picked it up in a 2 deck tracktor trailer filled with other bikes on both levels.
He was buying/restoring and sending them back to Japan.  :-\
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2009, 05:31:11 PM »
If someone wants to test drive a bike I have for sale the terms are:
1-I hold your license,
2-I hold the full purchase price until you get back,
3-I follow you
3a-every time I Think you redline the test bike, it costs you an additional $50.

this is all in writing and you have to sign the contract before you touch the bike.
I have learned from bad 'buyers'.
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