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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #175 on: May 23, 2011, 09:50:06 PM »
Good decision to keep it...
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« Reply #176 on: May 23, 2011, 10:29:58 PM »
Ok. finally got some pics of the pinstriping... too bad she's still in the garage. :-\
Maybe I'll be able to do more this weekend. :)


Thats a sweet lookin' 350 you have there Kit...........I think I would hang on to that unless times really get hard. Of course....you are the master of your finances.......(just a plug to steer you towards keepin' it!!!!)
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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #177 on: May 24, 2011, 09:49:43 PM »
Er... while I'm a full time student and deadbeat, MickeyX is the master of my finances.  ;D  It's all good, she understands the bike thing, but when I get really excited about a project it makes it real, real hard not to buy parts and stuff for it.

Tell you what, though, it was real easy to talk about selling it, but the reality is, with most of these projects you just don't make back what you've spent... so where's the fun in that? :P  And besides, every time I went out to the garage to take Delilah for a ride or something I'd look at Lola and go "Damn that's a good looking bike."

Going back through this thread I noticed something I hadn't been aware of before...

is pretty close to this

as far as the tank goes.  ;D 
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« Reply #178 on: May 25, 2011, 12:26:37 AM »
Obvious breach of copyright but I'd have Lola over any Triumph any day, sorry I was brought up to loathe the leaky things and even though they have improved out of sight that bias is too deeply ingrained in me to change. ;D

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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #179 on: May 25, 2011, 06:58:06 AM »
yeah I noticed that... and the change in smilies. When did that happen?
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« Reply #180 on: May 25, 2011, 09:50:19 AM »
While you were busy studying my girl. :D
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« Reply #181 on: May 25, 2011, 01:16:36 PM »
Ha! That's when all the good stuff happens, it seems. :P
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« Reply #182 on: May 29, 2011, 10:55:06 AM »
yeah I noticed that... and the change in smilies. When did that happen?

Glenn did an update on the site about a month or two ago. And the search changed too...
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« Reply #183 on: May 29, 2011, 09:08:10 PM »
heh. Well. funny how projects 'evolve'.  We installed the Hondaman ignition today and to our delight the bike started again.   ::)  But it sounded funny.  It had kind of sounded funny before, too, but now we were really hearing it.  The exhaust wasn't just rattly, it was loud.  We looked it over and, well, what do you know, the PO had epoxied or somehow glued over a .75x1" hole in the top muffler... and the epoxy's life had just run out.  :-\  Looking for functional solution or I'm going to use JBweld and part of a popcan.  It's way back in the tail end of the exhaust so the JBWeld's supposed 500*F heat threshold should be just fine.  It won't be visible, either, being on the bottom of the top pipe's 'muffler' so I'm not worried about the aesthetics as long as we get rid of that leak. 
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« Reply #184 on: May 29, 2011, 10:06:48 PM »
If it's a small enough hole Kit, screw a self tapper in there and JB over it.
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« Reply #185 on: May 29, 2011, 10:08:10 PM »
way too big for that.  I could put a beer bottlecap over it and not cover all of it, exactly.
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« Reply #186 on: May 30, 2011, 12:29:30 AM »
Try an old trick we used when young and broke (that's different to present day being old and broke) ;D use a patch from an old tin can and JB it into place, now use long Rex clips (not sure what they are called in USA?) maybe hose clips? anyhow they will strap it into place until the JB grips.
Come to think of it I used this method on my CL175 many moons ago. ;)
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« Reply #187 on: May 30, 2011, 06:25:32 AM »
Try an old trick we used when young and broke (that's different to present day being old and broke) ;D use a patch from an old tin can and JB it into place, now use long Rex clips (not sure what they are called in USA?) maybe hose clips?

We call 'em hose clamps.
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« Reply #188 on: May 30, 2011, 08:19:33 AM »
yup was pretty  much my plan. :)
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« Reply #189 on: May 31, 2011, 12:50:18 PM »
Ya know, sometimes I'm not sure who I want to strangle more, Kit or the bikes.  ;)

Yeah, she's keeping it. She was all moody because the rain won't stop around here, the gray is getting to her, her homework is endless, she needs more sleep and vitamins, blah blah blah... she's in the car in the morning talking about clearing all the bikes out. Seriously. All of them. We go home, pull the little bugger out a bit to see what we need to do to sell it, nothing on the starter switch so we kick it. Putt, putt, putt, zoom. The smile never left her face again the entire day.  8)

Yesterday, took both Hondas for a spin and the sucker backfires and dies on the side of the road. I rode Delilah home quick, pulled her battery (new Yuasa, same exact model # luckily), drove back in the car (with tools) and now the starter works too. Hehe. Ran #$%*ty though. Low idle, not as much power overall. Had to keep the revs up so she wouldn't stall. We'll continue with the work but not until after Kit's finals at least, which is about 2 weeks or so. I'll try to get a new battery for Lola in the meantime. Oh, we changed the spark plugs too while there. The right one was black and wettish. The left was just black. The ride the day before... right was tan and the left was slightly white. No idea what changed except for plugging the exhaust hole and adding the electronic thingy. Back to the drawing board a bit.  ::)

See ya gents! I'm outta here. Heading to work. Someone has to pay for these parts. LOL!!! Also getting ready to move in July. #$%*, I'm busier than a one legged woman in a butt kicking contest.  :o

Oh, btw dear... your new headlight is here. UPS guy can't wait to see Lola one of these days. He really likes your work. It's not bad for his business either. ;D
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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #190 on: May 31, 2011, 01:23:54 PM »
ok here's what happened this weekend... We took it for an 8 mile ride that went great- one plug was a warm toast brown the other was gray/white.  It pulled great, though.  I nudged the gray/white one's air mix screw out 1/16 turn to see if it would improve.  Patched the big hole in the muffler.  Put in the Hondaman ignition (I know, lots of changes at once that naturally change a bike completely)... It kicked over with almost no effort at all.  It ran with great gusto on the test ride and idled just a touch high at 2k.  I nudged the idle down about 1/8 turn on each side and it sounded/felt great idling at 1500 and pulled really, really well.  I gave it a really good wristfull and felt like it was lightening the front end.  I said "If my 650 felt as light and nimble as this 350 I would totally not have a license anymore!"

So we take a spin out to my college campus because I really want to start commuting on the 350 to show it off.  We get there and I turned the idle way up (as to max it) just to keep it idling... but at that point I need to keep a thumb on the throttle to keep it running.  We get within a couple miles of home and it starts cracking and popping out the exhaust a lot.  I kill it at the handlebar run/stop switch to keep it from damaging itself somehow.  It won't start again.  We put a charged battery and new plugs in it and still can't kick it over, but the starter button not only now spins the starter (the other battery didn't) but the bike starts repeatedly, just dies when left to idle itself.  :P  X was able to limp it home with me driving behind to field traffic. 

I know bad battery/charging can reveal itself in backfiring etc in these bikes and I admittedly have no idea how old this battery is- it's the one that came in the bike. I had the headlight on the whole time (legality issues) and I'm not sure if that kept it from charging.  Don't know how long one can/should idle at lights etc with the headlight on.   I also know that this is likely also carb stuff because I dicked with the settings Paul made and really kind of shouldn't have.  Still going to look over the hondaman ignition and make sure I didn't screw anything up there, either.

That was the first time *I* took that bike out on the road and oh my freakin god it's so much fun.  It felt like flying.   


but yeah, Finals tomorrow and then 2 monday and 1 tuesday of next week, THEN I have freedom... so I have to wait on the main part of my bike work 'til then.... though any suggestions are totally welcome. As always.
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« Reply #191 on: May 31, 2011, 03:14:00 PM »
Only 2 carbs on that bike Kit, my bet is something blocked your slow idle jets, junk from tank whatever but drop your bowls and clean them out would be my first attack as the plugs are telling very different storys on different days so summit went wrong.
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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #192 on: May 31, 2011, 07:15:06 PM »
Took a short recess to play with the bike stuff as the led taillight bulb had come in and temptation was too much to resist.

Tail light bulb fits and works, headlight h4 conversion kit does not.  Considering the kit was $12, I'm tempted to makey-workey, but i dunno.  there's a lot to be said for doing something right the first time.

Followed Hondaman's advice and checked the points to see if they were clean, and then on principle just clean them up a bit with brakekleen and a business card.  That was done.  I wonder if something's awry with the battery because it was discharged to 12.3 ...and the one that 'failed' on us was as well.  Put it on the trickle charger/tender.  It's already 7 and I have a final exam tomorrow bright and early, so I need to get back to studies.
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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #193 on: May 31, 2011, 08:35:52 PM »
Only 2 carbs on that bike Kit, my bet is something blocked your slow idle jets, junk from tank whatever but drop your bowls and clean them out would be my first attack as the plugs are telling very different storys on different days so summit went wrong.

What bugs me about this, though is that it ran really really well for the first few miles of this trip... but I'll check the carb and see what I can see. Really wish one could drain those carb bowls out the overflow tubes like on the 650 though...
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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #194 on: June 03, 2011, 12:57:18 AM »
Double check your wiring on the Hondaman maybe something came loose or is grounding out.  Sounds like you are running on one cylinder or a weak / intermittent one.  Especially with the backfires and the plugs going from decent to crap.  My guess is one isn't firing properly and the idle is so high now that its compensating (poorly).  I know on my 750 when I was running on 3 I almost couldn't tell when I gave it gas except it ran really rough, would stall anywhere near idle and no power.

However I will say also though I am with you on the battery being super low.  12.3V is no good should be at least 12.5~6, ideally a little higher.  I know whenever we get batteries in at work that are like 12.3ish they usually have very little cranking amps.  We won't sell anything below 12.47 which is roughly a 75~80% charge.

If it were me after you trickle charge the bat.  And if that doesn't fix the problem double check the Hondaman connections, next I'd check the bowls and reset the screws to where they were.  If all else fails or if your still getting voltage drain I would remove the new Hondaman ignition, I know he makes some great quality parts but doesn't mean there might not be a bad resistor or something causing a short.

You changed quite a few things time to back track one at a time.

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Re: '73 CL350, project "Lola"
« Reply #195 on: June 03, 2011, 05:31:52 AM »
It didn't backfire the whole way home, so I'm kinda wondering if it isn't a charging/voltage drain issue.  The carbs weren't right at that point, though, either. I know that.  Paul had set them but I dinked with them.  I'll go over the hondaman ignition connectors. Might be the left carb deciding not to idle (again).  I thought we had that b*stard clear. :P I guess we'll see, but I've got finals 'til tues, so not much time to play.
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« Reply #196 on: June 05, 2011, 12:38:30 AM »
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« Reply #197 on: June 16, 2011, 07:09:52 PM »
Paulages was kind enough to swing by yesterday and do a full tune-up for me on timing and carbs.  The left seems much less affected by the mixture screw than the right, the right seemed like a snap to figure out.

...today stuff got interesting-er.

I took the bike for a 5 mile ride just to make sure I was relatively close to home in case it died on me.  I had to mess with the idle kind of a lot to keep it idling at stops, but once I was home it was no problem. Go figure. 

There seems to be some kind of step-off when I use the idle adjust near the handlebars, either it idles away relatively smoothly at 1800, or it bogs to 1k, 800, then dead.
If I run for >5k rpms for any amount of time, then try to idle, it does the same thing.  When I'm RIDING, it feels great, pulls enough to put me back in the seat, and is generally a lot of fun.

Oh, and trying to kick it over when it's good and hot is a betch.  I need to really jump on it, HARD.  I can't say I remember it doing that, but then again I've also used the starter button mostly until now.

After the ride I let it cool for a little bit and then pulled the plugs. 
The results this time aren't far different from what I was seeing before, which isn't exactly heartening considering how we adjusted the carbs etc

Right Plug- The right cylinder's exhaust has been cooler at all times and all rpms than the left's.  Appearance: black around edge n ground strap, center ceramic is dark chocolate brown.  Black is not fluffy- seems kinda tarry. Yes, I know what that means, but I want someone to tell me it's okay.

Left Plug- The left has always been warmer than the right. Appearance: Ground strap has some white on it.  Center ceramic is greyish white.  runnin' pretty lean?

WTF?  Is there any way I can get out of this without it being like pulling teeth?  I guess the caveat to the way the right plug looks is that I don't blow smoke out of that exhaust pipe, so despite whatever fouling is going on there, it's not translating to the exhaust.  Also weird, though, is how the left (lower) exhaust was blowing a crap ton of smoke yesterday while Paul was here, seeming rich as hell, but the plug still looks as lean as it did when the bike shut down on me and died some weeks ago. :P   
Charging is good, though.  With the light on, I read 12.55 at the battery terminals while the bike idles and got 12.8v after my ride yesterday.

I'd try turning that idle air screw out a little, but from what we were seeing yesterday, it didn't seem to make much difference.  That and if the right plug is oil fouling, then adjusting that idle air screw won't do anything either.  :P It also seems as though one cylinder drops out occasionally while at idle, so it'll be at 2,000 then drop suddenly to 1200.  I blip the throttle and it comes right back up again.

Where do I go from here?  I'd like to start at the least invasive stuff first, obviously, but when things need done, they need done.
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« Reply #198 on: June 17, 2011, 12:00:13 AM »
If the carbs aren't CV, what are the needle settings? I know Paulages did a tune for you but unscrewing the carb tops and popping out the slides usually isn't part of that.
I'm just wondering since the carbs are obviously operating completely differently (evidenced by the plug conditions) if someone once fiddled with the needle's and one is set different to the other?
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« Reply #199 on: June 17, 2011, 12:02:46 AM »
OK just scrolled down and seen the tell-tale CV chrome tops so might I be so bold as to suggest that one of the carb rubber skirts that hold the slides has a tear in it thereby altering the carb.
See I'm full of theories tonight. :)
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!