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Offline Lars

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Polishing engine covers
« on: January 16, 2010, 06:52:59 AM »
Hi Guys, I have been restoring a few bikes, which include the work of polishing the engine side covers. Before polishing, I use wet sandpaper 400/600/800/1000/1200. However, a part of the job beginning with the 400 grid, is to get off the clear coat that usually has turned a bit yellowish. I have been wondering, is there some kind of liquid to remove this clear cover which does not harm the allloy like turning black?

What do you guys do?
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2010, 06:00:50 PM »
soak in thinners or a quick paint stripper and wash it straight off.

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2010, 06:04:51 PM »
Many of us use a product called Aircraft Stripper. Works very well on getting that clear off.
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2010, 08:26:01 PM »
Easy-Off oven cleaner will strip the clear off nicely.

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2010, 10:45:42 PM »
Drool, is that your water bus? I want it!
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 04:46:13 AM »
Yes, but it did take a few hours to get it like that. I started from here early in the morning and polished all day .....

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 06:54:32 AM »
Thanks guys, see what I can find of it here in Norway. Most likely different products, so what does it say on the box/bottle regarding what the mix is?

That is a very nice Suzuki 750 GT! Love the candy orange too!!
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 07:02:40 AM »
Gordon, I'm impressed! Those bikes are very nice!

I am at the point of wanting to polish up a few parts on my bikes; never done it serously before.
 Just wax and never dull, chrome polish toothbrush or whatever routine.
Could you please go through the process regarding rouge, buffers and the steps of the process. 
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 07:45:00 AM »
Try Caswell Plating's Site. Lot's of good info on polishing and buffing. They're found here:

www.caswellplating.com

Another good resource is a book I picked up from Bright Works, Inc for $10. They also have a DVD. They're located here:

http://www.bright-works.com/
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 08:13:01 AM »
I just found that site by doing a search and was gonna modify my post.
That site answered all my questions.  Thanks!

Now for some polishing!
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 08:29:38 AM »
I do enjoy a good polishing -------




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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 09:07:14 AM »
Shellfish...I never used any sandpaper on my KO covers. Just red, green and white rouge in that order. Take your time and wear some protection like a mask, gloves and eye protection. It is tedious work, but well worth the effort.
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 09:12:27 AM »
Not a true hijack but we need to know.
Johnie and Simpson - nice work! Johnie, how did you repainted the black around the Honda on the dyno cover? I'm sure I'm not the only one without it after polishing. thanks,
Cliff.

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 09:48:32 AM »
johnie I noticed the allen head screws and I was wondering what process you used to remove the old screws.  I have removed all the ones I can get without a special tool.  Would you recommend Grab-it at Sears or stripped screw removers like are available at Harbor Freight?  My bike buddy says that the easy outs at HF may break the screw and leave part of it in the hole .  What is your experience?  I have thought about the cut off the heads and remove with vice grips method but I do not want to remove the cases off the engine until I need too.

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 10:05:07 AM »
Cliffy...regarding the HONDA logo black, I was concerned about using paint in that area do to heat. So I decided to try a fine tip black Sharpie marker. I know, seems weird but I thought I would just give it a try. Be sure to get the polishing compound out of the area. I used a Dremel with bristle brush for that. With the fine tip marker I was able to follow the letters and give it a nice clean look. I gave it 2 light coats with the marker and it has stood up good for a couple years now.
Ward...regarding getting those old screws out, I used an impact driver pictured below. For the ones I could not get out with stripped heads, I used a Dremel to cut a straight line in the head and then used a straight line head in my impact driver and they came out. I have not had any I have not been able to get out with the impact driver as of yet. I just got some more of those hex heads for my K4 project.
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2010, 10:12:18 AM »
Fabulous job! One question:
Did you polish the covers while on the bike or take them off?

-Steve

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2010, 10:33:49 AM »
Hi Johnnie,

 A question concerning the replacement of the side cover bolts...

 I was going to replace with the Honda parts, but I'm back to the Phillips bits and the problems associated with that.

 Where did you locate hex (allen) head bolts in the appropriate lengths for all of the cases?  I've assembled my list... There's quite a few.

 I'm torn bewteen the original (look) vs. a modern hex head that works (function) way better.  Of course, I could make sure each screw has some anti-seize before assembly.

 Thanks for your thoughts.

Scott

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 10:43:11 AM »
I just started my own polishing in 2009. I had restored several bikes (30 or so), but had been getting the covers, hubs, and fork lowers all done by a local shop. This past summer, my local shop raised his prices and gave me a long-lead time for some of the covers I needed done. He quoted $300 for the Suzuki engine covers shown here. I drew the line in the sand and said I'd buy the equipment and do them myself.

I am so glad I did - the results are actually better than what I was paying for. If you'll notice the stator cover in the front and the cyclinder - those were done by my local shop. Not bad, but certainly not what I did on the front sprocket covers.

Here is what the owner of Tar Heel Parts (buffer and long-time buffiing supplies dealer) taught me when I purchased his entire system.

1) The buff wheels cannot be contaminated with different grit compounds. In other words, you cannot use the same wheel for brown (cutting) and the white (polishing) compounds. A wheel must be used for only one task. Even on the same part - you cannot go from the brown to white until the part is cleaned and all traces of brown are removed.

2) The better compounds are made from animal fat. This animal fat will melt at 140F and is used for just that reason. You first start by loading the wheel with compound, then begin the buff first by getting all of the small areas and edges. As you buff, heat will rise and you want to work the part slowly and in the direction of wheel travel - not side to side, but back and forth. This will keep the heat in the part. The idea is to keep the part at about 150F so your part is continiously letting the new aggregate be melted from the buff wheel. You'll want to use 100% Cotton gloves. These are cheap white or brown work gloves sold at every discount or garden store. You'll throw them away each time, so don't get expensive ones. The cotton will insulate your hands and let you feel the heat.

Note** You'll know it's perfect when the part is not dragging and the part is not black - if you have black residue it simply means your part is too cold and you're not melting the new compound. Seriously - go back and forth, not side to side and you'll see/feel the immediate difference. The part will easy to hold, you'll retain the heat, the part will be clear, and the buff job will take about half the time. I now can do a large cover in less than 2-3 minutes.

3) Reload the wheel every 30~60 seconds. You'll be pulling it off once you have the right temp (150F) and using it to it's maximum efficiency.

4) Bufffer speed is really optimum at 1,700~1,800 rpm. I've had the cheap Harbor Freight buffers and their 3,600 rpm - they are a disaster and I DO NOT recommend them. First they are unsafe - they will throw parts at a very high speed and have bitten me more than once. 3,600 rpm is fine for a bench grinder, but not a buffer. Go with a 1,700 or 1,800 rpm buffer. I like my 1 horse power one with 10" wheels and 36" wide shaft. It give me plenty of power, the right speed, and lots of room to work the parts easily. This was less than $300 shipped with the wide buffs and compound blocks.

If you have imperfections or have bead blasted your parts, you will need to get them perfectly smooth. I will say for absolute certain that you will need to use the 400, 600, 1,000, and 2,000 paper to get back to the factory finish. While bead blasting doesn't look like it would hurt the polishing step, it creates a very rough surface that must come off of there if you want that mirror, chrome-like shine of the sprocket cover of the Suzuki.

Don't try and don't let anyone else try to buff/polish out imperfections. No one is good enough to get it perfectly smooth using a buff wheel - you'll wind up with ripples and small waves in the larger pieces. The use of sanding from course to fine using a block or a vibrating sander.

Skip of Tar Heel Parts was the best thing for my bikes - eventually I hope many of them can wear some of the covers I plan on doing in the future -

Regards,
Gordon

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2010, 10:51:45 AM »
What do you typically seal the covers with Ilbikes?

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2010, 11:56:37 AM »
Fett, I'll post these because I do want folks to realize that you can powdercoat clear after polish. My engine covers are not sealed. I've found a touch-up with Autosol 1-2 times a year is all I need and they are easy to access.

The wheel hubs, the engine crankcase, cylinder, cylinderhead, and fork tubes are in fact powdercoated "clear". This is something I wanted to try and will definitely do these with powdercoat from now on.

I've put several hundreds of miles on the Suzuki and everything has held-up perfectly to the heat. You'll see everything looks wet -

That is gray powdercoat on the top case.











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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2010, 01:06:09 PM »
Johnie, a Sharpie! Brilliant! That will today's adventure.
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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2010, 01:21:25 PM »
i feel like im posting a lot of pictures today :)
  i used a high temp paint on my stator cover, i wasnt really going for a "chrome like" finish, i like the satiny look of them, polished the oil tank too!
   
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2010, 05:26:35 PM »
Off topic, sorry!
Johnie, I wonder if an orange Sharpie would work on the lettering on the switches?
Have you tried it?
Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2010, 05:42:01 PM »
Cliff, go to Advance or Autozone and pick you up a paint pen by Duplicolor. Those come in about every color imaginable to fill small scratches and touch-up nicks. These will give you a durable paint to fill those recesses.

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Re: Polishing engine covers
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2010, 05:47:35 PM »
Wow Gordon, I hadn't seen your Suzuki finished. Great job.