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Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« on: January 19, 2010, 05:27:34 PM »
So I bought part 94109-12000 and it is not crushing and therefore not creating a seal. Just a heads up on this part. It looks like a standard zinc washer found at any hardware store but at a premium price. I still have oil leaking out of the drain plug and I torqued the plug to just above spec trying to get it to crush with no luck. I'm just going to go buy some cork gasket material if the industrial gasket business close to me doesn't have anything and make my own.
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 05:33:10 PM »
You know, before the internet came along, I never bought a new crush washer, I just wrapped the threads in plumbers teflon tape, and never had a problem. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 06:48:49 PM »
I just use a Chevy drain plug gasket and have for 30 years. It's a flat washer with a fused rubber center. No leaks ever!
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 07:17:41 PM »
Well that really sucks....I wonder if any standard copper crush washer would work.
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 07:34:03 PM »
I use a fiber washer from a local hardware store found them in the nuts and bolts bins, it swells a little and seals great, all for $.50


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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 10:13:43 PM »
I went to Home Depot and they didn't have any copper or brass washers, but they did have fiber washers and I was thinking about giving that a try until the employee in that section said that they would become saturated with oil and start leaking. I also thought about the Teflon tape and since I have some I think that's what I'm going to try and maybe one of those fiber washers too for good measure.
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 10:23:44 PM »
Is that a Honda part #?

 Make sure mating surface is flar.

 I made a washer, when I last changed oil, didnt anneal it, and it leaks a bit..
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 10:42:07 PM »
I did the same thing yesterday. Ordered some OEM cables and picked up the washer. Same one, dont think it will fix my leak. Off to the hardware store.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 12:44:26 AM »
Did anyone try the washer of an (used) sparkplug? It's the same size.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 03:45:07 AM »
You could try PIRTEK at Elm Hill, Nashville if it's close enough. Any 'fluid system' specialist outlet should also suffice.

I get my soft copper crush washers from Pirtek here in Oz, who always have a good variety of sizes available over the counter :)

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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 01:11:25 PM »
I didn't even know a  washer was supposed to be there! Never had any leaks (4 years).  Last summers oil change I added an automotive nylon drain plug washer from Canadian Tire. Still no leaky!
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 01:21:31 PM »
Yes it is a Honda part number. It only has one dash as that is the format for hardware.

I have drawers of these, 3 different sizes, all bot OEM, some may be Yamaha. Some with the Honda part number, though bot years ago.

They are a thick aluminum washer, obviously not a standard piece. The soft aluminum will give a little when crushed.

Sounds like they've cheaped out on the washer. Any of the several alternative suggestions should work.
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 02:46:36 PM »
I'll resolve this as soon as it stops raining since I'm without a garage.
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 02:53:56 PM »
So I bought part 94109-12000 and it is not crushing and therefore not creating a seal. Just a heads up on this part. It looks like a standard zinc washer found at any hardware store but at a premium price. I still have oil leaking out of the drain plug and I torqued the plug to just above spec trying to get it to crush with no luck. I'm just going to go buy some cork gasket material if the industrial gasket business close to me doesn't have anything and make my own.

Just a thought, are you sure it is the washer not sealing? You might double check the flange of the bolt and the surface of the oil pan. If these are not clean/flat you will have a problem. I had a similar problem, but it was the oil tank drain hole. It just seems odd that this is not acting as a proper crush washer as it is used in many applications for just this purpose.
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 03:00:53 PM »
I went to Home Depot....they did have fiber washers and I was thinking about giving that a try until the employee in that section said that they would become saturated with oil and start leaking.

Saturated with oil, possibly...but if the bolt's tight it won't leak.  I've got one on my nighthawk for two seasons (11k miles or so) now without leakage, just make sure it's tight and it's plenty reliable.

One more failure of a Home Depot employee to know what he's talking about, i'm not surprised.

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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 12:59:22 PM »
I went to Home Depot....they did have fiber washers and I was thinking about giving that a try until the employee in that section said that they would become saturated with oil and start leaking.

Saturated with oil, possibly...but if the bolt's tight it won't leak.  I've got one on my nighthawk for two seasons (11k miles or so) now without leakage, just make sure it's tight and it's plenty reliable.

One more failure of a Home Depot employee to know what he's talking about, i'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised by any halfassery from employees there. 95% of the time they aren't anywhere to be found or know what they're talking about. there are a couple that are nice and a couple that know what they're talking about and it's usually one or the other and not both. Thankfully I rarely need help when i go there, though.
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 01:03:36 PM »
I did the same as shellfish. But after a few oil changes, the rubber tears off and so you need a replacement but no big deal. I might go the fiber washer way. Never thought about teflon tape but it does make sense.

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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2010, 01:11:29 PM »
I just use a Chevy drain plug gasket and have for 30 years. It's a flat washer with a fused rubber center. No leaks ever!

I need to find some of these. I'll try to hunt down a part #.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 03:21:28 PM »
the drain plug on my k4 is the same size as the one on my saturn. i get the crush ring for less than a dollar each from Oreillys
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2010, 07:37:01 AM »
I could never figure why these washers (for oil drain plugs) are called "crush washers".  If you look at the washer that typically is used on a spark plug, it truly is a "crush washer" as it is made to physically distort and crush when the plug is first-time torqued into a head.  However, all the washers I've ever seen used for oil drain plugs consist of a solid material that is soft enough to "mold" somewhat to the surfaces in order to seal slight imperfections and assist in holding the bolt/plug in place.  They are either nylon, copper, or aluminum in construction, or else the plug head is lined with a hard rubber lip to provide this action.  I haven't seen or used fiber as a washer material in this application, but it might also do the job.  The best material I've used is copper, as it can remain fairly soft yet last repeated usage, where-as the other materials tend to score over time and start distorting too much to seal properly.

The other puzzle I have regarding these washers for oil plugs, is that they are usually recommended to be replaced each time the oil is changed?  I can see this with the true "crush washer" construction as on spark plugs, as their crushing action is all used up with the first torque into a head - but who ever replaces those washers?  Certainly nylon washers are the softest and often need replacing after a few uses as on a drain bolt, and aluminum also can get scored and need replacing, but the copper ones are a bit harder and seem to hold up indefinitely unless they are abused with a lot of grit or torque.  Copper is a little too hard for some applications (i.e. on aluminum engine cases), so aluminum washers work best on aluminum engine cases, and will last a long time if everything is cleaned well before re-assembly.

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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2010, 10:02:19 AM »
I got some copper washers from the auto parts store. Pack of 3 for like $2 (same size as my old Mazda).


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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2010, 07:14:30 AM »
Not to be a downer on that leak. If it wasn,t leaking before and it is now you may also want to give the pan a real good cleaning and look around the drain hole to see if you have a hairline crack. Had one years ago,they can crack pretty easily.

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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2010, 07:49:16 AM »
 I second the hairline crack theory, if it was a 550 its pretty much guaranteed to have a crack in sump
You can't get correct torque on fiber washer, too tight it splits, too loose, it falls out.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2010, 09:52:34 AM »
maybe we should make some out of Alum, and anneal them..
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2010, 10:00:02 AM »
I went to Home Depot and they didn't have any copper or brass washers, but they did have fiber washers and I was thinking about giving that a try until the employee in that section said that they would become saturated with oil and start leaking. I also thought about the Teflon tape and since I have some I think that's what I'm going to try and maybe one of those fiber washers too for good measure.
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2010, 10:17:51 AM »
I don't see why an used sparkplug washer couldn't be a good seal. On it's sparkplug it has been torqued down much less (1,4 kg-m) than it will be on the drain plug (3 - 4 kg-m).
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2010, 10:40:32 AM »
I think spakplus, have a secondary seal...carbon... hope that wont happen in your oil pan!

 ..if it works though, use it
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2010, 10:45:28 AM »
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I will try, but you have to wait another year as I'm used to change my oil every two years or 6000 km, whatever comes first (Ohhh... the horror. I know, I know).
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2010, 05:04:17 PM »
I could never figure why these washers (for oil drain plugs) are called "crush washers". 

Me either mate, until I bought a BMW, they use real crush washers, tubular copper washers that actually crush down when you tighten them, like our exhaust gaskets. (why don't Honda call them "crush washers"?)

CB750 oil pan plug holes will crack pretty easily too, and they'll strip out the thread, so don't "over tighten" it. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Crush washer for oil pan drain plug 94109-12000 heads up
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2010, 05:28:49 PM »
cracked one of mine...
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