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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #125 on: July 05, 2010, 02:39:57 PM »
Agreed, what bothers me most is people pick form over function. I agree Apple puts out some really nice stuff.. Most if it is not nearly as functional as its counter parts, and costs more, in some cases much more.

I only have a Mac Pro, because I got a good deal on it from a co-worker, and being the tech head that I am I like to have what ever I can get my hands on. I fire it up once a month and update it and play with it for a day or two.. I have to say the interface to Mac OSx is still very nice.

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What price reliability and convenience? My MacPro cost me $3k and it has paid for itself many, many times over. I work from home and make my living with my computer. It runs 24 hours a day and has been problem-free since the day I bought it two years ago. I too regularly venture down some dark alleys, and I've never had a problem with a virus or incompatible hardware. How many pc users can say the same? Not many.

I'm not sure what you mean by "not nearly as functional as its counterparts", as I can seamlessly run every application that my heart desires, including Windows-only apps like Autocad. I've had no problems with torrent files, and my software collection is rife with them. Consistency and reliability are the hallmarks of function; the Mac has both in spades. Macs are more expensive, no doubt. They're also the most reliable and easy-to-use machines on the market. The fact that they're so pretty is an incidental benefit in my opinion.

I understand the argument that some people like to dig in and tinker with their machines; I prefer to do that with my motorcycle, not my computer. The necessity for constant maintenance as an argument for superiority of design is ridiculous from a logical point of view. I'd love to have an old Norton to play with on the weekends, but I'm not going to depend on it to get me to work every day...that's what Hondas are for.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #126 on: July 05, 2010, 03:59:07 PM »
"I understand the argument that some people like to dig in and tinker with their machines; I prefer to do that with my motorcycle, not my computer. The necessity for constant maintenance as an argument for superiority of design is ridiculous from a logical point of view. I'd love to have an old Norton to play with on the weekends, but I'm not going to depend on it to get me to work every day...that's what Hondas are for."

That's what I was getting at. ;)

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #127 on: July 05, 2010, 07:52:17 PM »

What price reliability and convenience? My MacPro cost me $3k and it has paid for itself many, many times over. I work from home and make my living with my computer. It runs 24 hours a day and has been problem-free since the day I bought it two years ago. I too regularly venture down some dark alleys, and I've never had a problem with a virus or incompatible hardware. How many pc users can say the same? Not many.

Well every one of mine can say that. I have a server been on 24/7 that is an Intel dual core, it hosts a game forum and gets around 5k vistiors a month and hosts my music collection and email for when I am on the road. Its been doing that for 5 years straight with out so much as a hick up. I have my main box that has been used every day for every thing from movies to torrents to Everquest (Wow like game) and its been running since 2001 and I have not replaced anything. It runs Ubuntu for my every day stuff and runs XP for my games. As for price, if all I have is $600 I don't care how reliable a computer is, I am getting what I can afford for my $600 and am not going into dept for any PC.. I am not alone here.


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I'm not sure what you mean by "not nearly as functional as its counterparts", as I can seamlessly run every application that my heart desires, including Windows-only apps like Autocad. I've had no problems with torrent files, and my software collection is rife with them. Consistency and reliability are the hallmarks of function; the Mac has both in spades. Macs are more expensive, no doubt. They're also the most reliable and easy-to-use machines on the market. The fact that they're so pretty is an incidental benefit in my opinion.
Ehem, I have some scripts you could not run on it and some Python programs that wont run on it.. There are lots of programs that only some what run well in VM's on a mac.. Also ever try and connect a Mac to a Windows domain? Trust me Mac's are much better then they used to be, but there are still a huge library of software that wont run on them even in VM's. Dual booting is another matter. I was also including iPhone and iPad apps.. Look at the Android market, see how many app's Apple wont allow that are how ever available for droid phones. I mean, Apple gives you cut and paste and a hacked version of multitasking and call them features and it took forever for them to release them.

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I understand the argument that some people like to dig in and tinker with their machines; I prefer to do that with my motorcycle, not my computer. The necessity for constant maintenance as an argument for superiority of design is ridiculous from a logical point of view. I'd love to have an old Norton to play with on the weekends, but I'm not going to depend on it to get me to work every day...that's what Hondas are for.
Agreed.. In fact I only in the last year showed my wife how to attach pictures to emails. She only wants to know what she needs to know. Her PC (Windows XP, since she won't let me change her OS) is now going on 6 years used every day with out failure. Understand not every one that owns a PC has to tinker with it or runs into issues with it. Like anything in life its all on how you use it that counts. Email scams for example effect all sorts not just Windows users and is OS agnostic. My kids all run Windows7 on fairly new laptops and enjoy them. I recently setup 2 laptops for my wifes family who were die hard Mac users, they switched to Windows Laptops because of price. In this economy you can't just buy the most expensive items just because they might bring a return on investment. If you make your money working on a Mac then you should have one, I am not saying any one should switch from what works for them. I am just saying its not as clear cut as Macs are good and Windows users always have to tinker. It's just not the case, I support our Mac's at work (about 100) that our graphics group uses and they have lots of issues.. Windows users are not the only ones that have to tinker, or tweak and as Macs market grows so do the threats from viruses and Malware etc..

Wow, that was more then I ever wanted to type! Sorry about the book.

edit: btw, the iTunes store was hacked so if you have an account with a credit card, keep an eye on it.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #128 on: July 06, 2010, 12:50:19 AM »
Well Scott, it sure sounds like you're one of the "not many" I mentioned.

Obviously, you're a very knowledgeable guy regarding computers...a lot more knowledgeable than me, that's for sure. I think it's safe to say, however, that you're the exception, not the rule. If you and your family have bulletproof machines running Windows, that's great; you've got less-expensive machines that are every bit as reliable as a Mac. If every PC user out there had a guy like you on hand we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

I'm always puzzled when Windows users bash Macs as overpriced and less useful. I can only assume it's because they've never used one for any length of time. I think it's safe to say that Macs and PCs have reached an equilibrium of utility for the average user that hasn't always existed. The additional value may not become apparent until they realize that they haven't had to reboot their computer in a month, or are no longer worrying about viruses, or notice that everything just "works". I know a lot of people that have switched from PC to Mac; I don't know anyone who's gone the other way...your wife's family is the first I've heard of. Do you know if they would have stayed with a Mac if you hadn't been around to lend a hand with their PC?

Distilled down, the answer for the non-tinkerer is obvious to me. Macs are better, PCs are cheaper.

Regarding the Android, and at risk of writing a book here myself, global sales are still well below the iPhone. I found the following information online at the first website I clicked when searching, "android vs iphone sales": http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/05/10/reality-check-npds-android-vs-iphone-sales-headlines/

"Why is Android doing so well in the US? It’s the same reason RIM’s BlackBerry sales have kept pace ahead of the iPhone, despite failing to best or even match Apple’s platform in terms of technology: most of those phones are being given away for free. That’s an easy way to claim market share, but not really a way to actually create sustainable growth. And if you look at RIM’s global sales in the last quarter, they’re only up 45% year over year compared to Apple’s 131% growth, despite all of RIM’s promotional free giveaways contrasted with Apple’s actual sales to customers."

I'm not saying Apple's perfect, but I'm happy with the Apple products I own and I haven't seen a better alternative.
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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #129 on: July 06, 2010, 08:06:16 AM »
The additional value may not become apparent until they realize that they haven't had to reboot their computer in a month,
I am sorry, you will have to explain this, is it that time consuming for you to reboot your mac? What value is there in having it up for over a month? Macs still have to worry about viruses, true there are only a handful, however more and more are coming.
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I know a lot of people that have switched from PC to Mac; I don't know anyone who's gone the other way...your wife's family is the first I've heard of. Do you know if they would have stayed with a Mac if you hadn't been around to lend a hand with their PC?
They switched because they needed new PC's but have a limited budget, and when they saw they could get twice the machine running Windows 7 then they could get from Apple it was a no brainier. I really am not sure if they would have if I had not pointed out the Dell's they did get.. Perhaps they would have gotten a much lesser mac. I know of many that switched back, for many reasons some because of games (all tho with steam for the mac and new games coming for the Mac that is less and less a reason now.) and some because they had lemon Mac's and were just fed up. Like any thing in life some times you get bad stuff..

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Distilled down, the answer for the non-tinkerer is obvious to me. Macs are better, PCs are cheaper.
Yes to you I am sure it is.. However its not always that cut and dry and Mac's are not better, and PC's are not always cheaper.

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Regarding the Android, and at risk of writing a book here myself, global sales are still well below the iPhone. I found the following information online at the first website I clicked when searching, "android vs iphone sales": http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/05/10/reality-check-npds-android-vs-iphone-sales-headlines/

"Why is Android doing so well in the US? It’s the same reason RIM’s BlackBerry sales have kept pace ahead of the iPhone, despite failing to best or even match Apple’s platform in terms of technology: most of those phones are being given away for free. That’s an easy way to claim market share, but not really a way to actually create sustainable growth. And if you look at RIM’s global sales in the last quarter, they’re only up 45% year over year compared to Apple’s 131% growth, despite all of RIM’s promotional free giveaways contrasted with Apple’s actual sales to customers."

iPhones are nice.. However the DroidX blows it out the the water and its the phone for me.. Apple can keep that locked down phone..

Funny how you missed this link right below your search..

Android Sales Exceed iPhone But Not BlackBerry In Q1
http://moconews.net/article/419-android-sales-exceed-iphone-but-not-blackberry-in-q1/


Fact is you can find a case for what ever you want to. I find at work (80,000 employees) its about 50/50 at the moment, funny too since Android has only been out there for about 20 months or so.

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I'm not saying Apple's perfect, but I'm happy with the Apple products I own and I haven't seen a better alternative.
I am happy when people are happy with what ever they have. I make a living fixing Machines and for me my Sony Vaio is the perfect machine. However I wont hi-jack this thread any more with my books. I simply wanted to point out that no matter what you use if your happy with it and it works for you that is great.. Its just not always the case that Macs are better or PC's are cheap machines that need ton's of attention. Windows 7 has really resolved a lot of that. There is a reason its the number one selling OS not just in new PC sales, we are talking full retail off the shelf box sales. Personally for me in a perfect world we would all run Linux.. However I am a geek and I might just be a bit slanted!  ;D For me Ubuntu just works.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #130 on: July 06, 2010, 12:06:18 PM »
Macs still have to worry about viruses, true there are only a handful, however more and more are coming.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #131 on: July 26, 2010, 12:54:03 AM »
I just bought BitDefender 2010 for my netbook for $14.95 on USB. I had to get rid of that crappy malware thing every Sunday for a month now. I finally got the recurring file found and deleted with combofix. Damn nasty little #$%*ter.

As for viruses, Mark, I'm hoping this new program will be better than my crappy McAfee virus detection. Do I still need the malwarebytes thing with this? Or the combofix? Should I keep them and run them too? Will they all play nice together?  :) ???
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« Reply #133 on: July 26, 2010, 04:02:02 PM »
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« Reply #134 on: July 26, 2010, 07:57:05 PM »
What do you guys recommend for spyware and antivirus for a Linux computer?

After I get all the old stuff off the Gateway I plan on installing Linux.



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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #135 on: July 26, 2010, 08:35:24 PM »
If you really feel you want one on Linux AVG is good, so is ClamAV and ClamAV is in most Linux repos so its easy to install. I personally don't feel the need for one as I don't login with root privileges and have a good router with a good firewall. 10 years running and never a virus or malware.. However that is just my experience with it.

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« Reply #136 on: July 27, 2010, 12:50:14 AM »
I use Kaspersky Anti virus and have done for years, i surf everything and have NEVER had a virus, other than that i use a free malware removal program called CCleaner.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #137 on: July 27, 2010, 04:13:23 AM »
A pc is like a harley, they look great, but tend to lack preformance in exchange for looks and sounds, where as a mac is like a well lubed honda, will run well past its technological maturity with no problems
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« Reply #138 on: July 27, 2010, 05:41:39 AM »
The major reason Mac's are not targeted by viruses is because they make up such a small portion of the market, make the target even 1/3 the size of Windows and you'll see it's true colors. I've been running Windows back to 98 and I've never had a problem, and belive me I've spent plenty of time in dark alleys. I'm not intersted in drinking Job's Kool-Aid or living in the compound, I like being more free. I had a iPod for 3 days and gave up on it, if iTunes doesn't sell the music you can't get the album art. Oh sure you can cut and paste but I have tons of bootlegs and imports and Media Player finds most of them with next to no effort. That was just one problem, I won't even go into format issues I had with the iTard.

Ya know, if you take a split second and apply the basic security measures that have been very well published over the last 15 years, you will cut your security risks. The biggest one being don't click on stuff that you don't know about, my personal fave is the pop-up that suddenly appears telling you your computer is infected and "we will solve all your probelms". You can't swing a stick without hitting someone who has been bitten by that one, but how many thousands of times a day does it still happen?

When my $450 Asus laptop can do everything and then some that my sisters $1800 Mac can do, thanks but no thanks. It may look really cool but, much like our bikes have shown us, chrome don't always get you home.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #139 on: July 27, 2010, 08:09:44 AM »
A pc is like a harley, they look great, but tend to lack preformance in exchange for looks and sounds, where as a mac is like a well lubed honda, will run well past its technological maturity with no problems

This is one of the worst analogies I've ever heard, and is pretty much completely backwards.

The major reason Mac's are not targeted by viruses is because they make up such a small portion of the market,

Source?

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make the target even 1/3 the size of Windows and you'll see it's true colors.

You'd think with the rampant hatred of Macs that exists, SOMEONE would have made at least ONE piece of actual malware, no?

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I've been running Windows back to 98 and I've never had a problem, and belive me I've spent plenty of time in dark alleys.

A power user doesn't get viruses??!? Shocking!

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I'm not intersted in drinking Job's Kool-Aid or living in the compound, I like being more free.

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I had a iPod for 3 days and gave up on it, if iTunes doesn't sell the music you can't get the album art. Oh sure you can cut and paste but I have tons of bootlegs and imports and Media Player finds most of them with next to no effort.

Did you even try? There are tons of apps that will find and insert cover art for you from multiple sources.

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That was just one problem, I won't even go into format issues I had with the iTard.

Clever. Your wit is astonishing.

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Ya know, if you take a split second and apply the basic security measures that have been very well published over the last 15 years, you will cut your security risks. The biggest one being don't click on stuff that you don't know about, my personal fave is the pop-up that suddenly appears telling you your computer is infected and "we will solve all your probelms". You can't swing a stick without hitting someone who has been bitten by that one, but how many thousands of times a day does it still happen?

Because what's "basic" to you is "advanced" to plenty of other people. Until last week, my Dad had no idea how to make a chart in Excel, and he's been using it for 15 years.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #140 on: July 27, 2010, 02:24:56 PM »
Basic means basic, don't open emails from unknown people, don't click on the flashing pop up that says "we can fix your virus infected computer", run anti virus. For the people I deal with, basic means basic.

Market Share: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/01/14/apple-slipped-notch-5th-largest-computer-manufacturer/

Malware: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/apple_quietly_updates_mac_anti-malware_feature.php

Incase you were not counting, three is more than none, so if you want to get picky, and it sounds like you do, stop the "Mac's can't be infected" spew. The best part was about how they do their updates.

Straw man - Interesting, see last comment or just take two seconds and google "suicide mac" or "Adobe Mac", I could go on but you get my point.

Why do I need an app to get album art? I thought Mac could do anything easier than a PC? Why do I need to have all my music in iPod format? I can take any music file and put it in my Media Player (or just about any other player) music file and I'm off and running.

Has your dad been using Excel for 15 years or just a computer? I'm not knocking your dad, I get the calls every week also from mine, but to be using a specific program for 15 years and not be able to use one of the most common functions seems a bit hard to believe. Although If it is a 15 year old version of Excel then I would probably need some help too. Why don't you just have him shell out a grand for a basic Mac book and all his problems would be solved.

I used to love those PC vs Mac commercials, what happened to them? They were taking some pretty heavy jabs at Windows 7 before it came out, seems like they stopped right after 7 launched.
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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #141 on: July 27, 2010, 02:34:56 PM »
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« Reply #142 on: July 27, 2010, 03:06:08 PM »
Basic means basic, don't open emails from unknown people, don't click on the flashing pop up that says "we can fix your virus infected computer", run anti virus. For the people I deal with, basic means basic.

Market Share: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/01/14/apple-slipped-notch-5th-largest-computer-manufacturer/

Malware: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/apple_quietly_updates_mac_anti-malware_feature.php

I wasn't doubting market share information. I'm doubting the idea that market share is the only or main reason that so little malware exists. That's an idea that's extremely hard to prove, but often touted by Apple's critics.

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Incase you were not counting, three is more than none, so if you want to get picky, and it sounds like you do, stop the "Mac's can't be infected" spew. The best part was about how they do their updates.

I'm not saying that they can't. I'm saying that they don't.

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Straw man - Interesting, see last comment or just take two seconds and google "suicide mac" or "Adobe Mac", I could go on but you get my point.

But clearly you're missing mine. You're operating under the assumption that the only people that would use a Mac are either brainwashed or hate freedom.

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Why do I need an app to get album art?

Why wouldn't you? How does [your media program of choice] do it?

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I thought Mac could do anything easier than a PC?

Straw man.

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Why do I need to have all my music in iPod format?

What's "iPod format"? AAC and mp3 are by far the most common standards for compressed audio and the iPod can play either. Would you prefer something obscure like .ogg?

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I can take any music file and put it in my Media Player (or just about any other player) music file and I'm off and running.

Now you're confusing me. Do you honestly not believe that the iPod is capable of playing standard audio files?

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Has your dad been using Excel for 15 years or just a computer?

Excel.

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I'm not knocking your dad, I get the calls every week also from mine, but to be using a specific program for 15 years and not be able to use one of the most common functions seems a bit hard to believe.

He's always had a secretary to do it for him. We spent several hours making charts and I'm still not sure he gets it. He has a masters, is on his way to a PhD, and has spent over 30 years in education. He's bright, but the whole computer paradigm escapes him. I've spent enough time in IT to know that he's not the only one like him out there. Some people just have hard time believe that people like this exist, but they do, and "basic" to you is far from "basic" to them.

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Although If it is a 15 year old version of Excel then I would probably need some help too.

The interesting parts is that this isn't true. Excel '97 (the oldest version I've used) works exactly the same as '03/'04. '07/'08 have moved to the Ribbon interface, but the basic steps are still the same as far as selecting data sets and setting chart options.

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Why don't you just have him shell out a grand for a basic Mac book and all his problems would be solved.

How would buying a Mac help him learn Excel? Office is noticeably worse on the Mac. Sounds like another straw man to me.

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I used to love those PC vs Mac commercials, what happened to them? They were taking some pretty heavy jabs at Windows 7 before it came out, seems like they stopped right after 7 launched.

Those were awful, good riddance.

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #143 on: July 27, 2010, 03:27:46 PM »
Just a bit of irony, I read recently that the first PC virus actually went after early Apple computers in the early 80's. It was called Elk Cloner.
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« Reply #144 on: July 27, 2010, 03:31:58 PM »
By "PC" you mean "Personal Computer," not the more common "a computer non running a Mac OS."

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« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2010, 05:14:18 PM »
By "PC" you mean "Personal Computer," not the more common "a computer non running a Mac OS."

Correct, hense the irony.
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« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2010, 05:44:16 PM »
I do think Mac people are brainwashed, it's a computer, made by man, and therefore it can actually have problems. Besides we all know the only people who hate freedom are liberals!  ;)

As for album art, I perfer Media Player and with the click of one button I get what I want, never had to add anything for something that basic. I do make changes, but not because I have to to make the program work.

Shove the "straw man" statement, try and actually come up with a reply to a comment. I have yet to meet any semi computer savvy Mac user who doesn't think PC users are clueless just because we don't bow to the mighty Mac. I have half a dozen family members that think if I just tried it that it would be like the gates of heaven have opened and I would throw out all PC items.

I recall some statement about someone making ONE piece of actual malware?

Stop changing the question, you asked for a source about market share, then act like that has nothing to do with it. Look at the amount of lawsuits Wal-Mart has to put up with, my cousin has a chain of local grocery stores and he has yet to be sued for anything. Take any sport, when a particular athlete stands taller than the rest he or she is the one everyone goes after, same goes for a team that wins the championship. When you want to cause the most mayhem, why go for only 5% or 6% of the market? If your trying to set up a DoS, why would you not want to go for the biggest target and get the most computers working for you?

As for your dad, still not buying it, my son is 7 and he can use power point and make things work. Cut, paste, write, clip art, save, link with Word docs, but then again I guess it's not Excel. I'm sure there are people who have a hard time using the basic functions of programs, I know a few, but to have something you've used for so long and not be able to understand what only amounts to the next chapter in the manual, not buying it.

And no matter how awfull you think those adds were, they leaned on them pretty hard and now they are gone.

If it hadn't been for the iPod & iPhone, apple would be sucking wind, yes that is my opinion, computer wise they don't sell squat (see link in pervious post). Just because they opened a new market does not mean they will be on top forever, HTC and Motorola are building some slick phones themselves these days.
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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #147 on: July 27, 2010, 06:05:00 PM »
As for album art, I perfer Media Player and with the click of one button I get what I want, never had to add anything for something that basic. I do make changes, but not because I have to to make the program work.

How is adding album art in Media Player different from iTunes?

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Shove the "straw man" statement, try and actually come up with a reply to a comment.

Stop using straw mans and I'll stop calling them.

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I have yet to meet any semi computer savvy Mac user who doesn't think PC users are clueless just because we don't bow to the mighty Mac.

And how would you know if you had? An ambivalent savvy user wouldn't shove anything on you. You're creating a whole line of arguments against people that exist in your brain and not here.

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I have half a dozen family members that think if I just tried it that it would be like the gates of heaven have opened and I would throw out all PC items.

Yes, fanatics exist. I'm not sure how that's relevant to our discussion.

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I recall some statement about someone making ONE piece of actual malware?

Yep. Actual. Not potential malware, not a single rumored occurrence, but a widespread infestation.

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Stop changing the question, you asked for a source about market share,

Nope. Read it again.

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The major reason Mac's are not targeted by viruses is because they make up such a small portion of the market,

Source?

I was asking for a source for the entire statement I quoted, not just the last half. That's why I quoted the entire statement, not just the last half.

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Look at the amount of lawsuits Wal-Mart has to put up with, my cousin has a chain of local grocery stores and he has yet to be sued for anything. Take any sport, when a particular athlete stands taller than the rest he or she is the one everyone goes after, same goes for a team that wins the championship. When you want to cause the most mayhem, why go for only 5% or 6% of the market? If your trying to set up a DoS, why would you not want to go for the biggest target and get the most computers working for you?

By this logic, the ONLY people that would EVER get sued/picked on are the biggest. In reality, there are plenty of lawsuits to go around, but the biggest get hit the most.

This seems to be you trying to rationalize your previous statement. Like I said before, you can believe it if you want to, but I'd rather rely on proof of something rather than believing whatever supports my preconceived notions.

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As for your dad, still not buying it,

...okay...

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my son is 7 and he can use power point and make things work. Cut, paste, write, clip art, save, link with Word docs, but then again I guess it's not Excel. I'm sure there are people who have a hard time using the basic functions of programs, I know a few, but to have something you've used for so long and not be able to understand what only amounts to the next chapter in the manual, not buying it.

Wait...you're telling me that someone that has grown up with technology is good with it?!? Shocking!

My only point is that people like this DO exist, even if you're so far removed that you don't deal with them regularly, or if their existence counters some preconceived notions of yours.

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And no matter how awfull you think those adds were, they leaned on them pretty hard and now they are gone.

You're going to have to make your point here more clear. Are you suggesting that Windows 7 "shut up" Apple? Ad campaigns come and go, I'm not sure why you find this surprising. When Progressive stops airing ads with "Flo," are we going to assuming it's because Geico delivered some sort of crushing blow?

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If it hadn't been for the iPod & iPhone, apple would be sucking wind, yes that is my opinion, computer wise they don't sell squat (see link in pervious post). Just because they opened a new market does not mean they will be on top forever, HTC and Motorola are building some slick phones themselves these days.



The iPhone appears to be approximately 50% of Apple's capitalization. I'm not sure how you define "sucking wind," but they wouldn't be on the verge of collapse, if that's what you're implying. They were doing fine before the iPhone, they're just doing that much better now.

And I'm curious as to what market you think Apple opened...they weren't the first smartphone, the first touch screen phone, or the first phone/music/video playing combo. What did they do?

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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2010, 09:51:06 PM »
OMFG.  ::) You bunch of nagging nanny goats. All I did was ask if should still keep using my malware program with my new antivirus and you turn this whole HELPFUL thread into a pissing contest over Mac vs PC. As a matter of fact, NO ONE GIVES A #$%* what kind of computer you have or whether or not it's cute. I know it's a surprise but it's true, gents. Now, how's about you put your little peckers back in your pants and go watch tv or something and let the rest of us get back to helping one another on here. Thanks.  :-* :-*



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Re: HIDEOUS VIRUS!!!
« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2010, 09:54:12 PM »
Hi Mickey, yes you can still use your malware program with your anti virus. I use {stated earlier} Kaspersky anti virus and CCleaner which is a malware and spyware removal program, even though the Anti virus i have has one as well. As far as i am concerned you can't have enough protection.... ;)

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