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Offline jwalters

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Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« on: January 06, 2006, 12:17:56 PM »
The round valve covers that must be removed to perform a value adjustment are froze pretty good.  Some I can remove others are stuck.  I've tried some penetrating oil. To make matters worse, since the hex heads are a bit under sized, it is hard to get a good bite on the stuborn ones.  I am thinking about making a wrench to fit from a piece of sheet metal or try using the Craftsmen stripped bolt removal sockets.  Adjustable wrenches seem to have too much give to stay on the soft metal.  As a last resort I could dremmel a notch for a large screwdriver, but that will not help the bike in the looks catagory.

Anyone else have experience with this?  I have heard others talk of this, but I couldn't find any results via a soch4.us search.

And finally, anyone know of where I can get some new valve covers if I need to replace ones that I buggered up?

Of course, thanks as always!
-j
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2006, 12:28:49 PM »
Hi j,  I got an aftermarket set from a guy in Fla for $22.00.  Do a search on ebay for seller "georgefix".  I think I took 2 of the originals off with vise grips.
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2006, 12:34:24 PM »
Excellent.  Honestly, If I know I can get replacements, I won't mind trashing the stock ones.  Also, it might be worth trying to take off the stubborn ones once the engine is warm, or possibly heading up the area around the part.
But I am going to get ahold of that guy if i can.  Thanks.
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2006, 12:34:42 PM »
...u'r best bet is a six sided 17mm socket with cheater/breaker bar for good leverage...
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2006, 12:49:58 PM »
Get a Craftsman six-sided (not 12) 17mm box wrench from Sears.  The geometry on the newer ones puts the pressure on the side of the nut rather than the corners.  Hold it on there straight and bump the other end of the wrench with a rubber mallet.  Odds are good you can get them off without damage.
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2006, 01:07:33 PM »
No tips on removal.... but when you put them back on, a tiny bit of oil on the thread, and only do them up with an open ended spanner.. just until the rubber seal hits the rocker cover... and just snug them up... too many people tighten them like way too tight, then butcher them next time they go to get them off.....

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2006, 01:31:34 PM »
I have found that the o-ring gets stuck to the cover and stops the cap coming off, a good shock will normally break the seal.  You might want to consider a nice set of CNC machined billet items with a 19mm hex head.  www.eaglescall.com should have some in stock, also check out my web site.

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2006, 01:37:12 PM »
I didn't have any trouble when I had to remove my "boat anchor" valve caps, but some of them had a little notch at the outside. Seems like a mechanic needed a cold chisel on the outside to force it turn. If you are gentle you will be able to reuse them. I also think that the problem is not overtightening, but the oil seal sticking to both cap and cover.

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2006, 02:21:22 PM »
Raul,

Sorry I forgot to mention that a slight smear of oil on the o'ring and valve cover seat area as well as the thread will prevent the valve covers/ tappet cover becoming difficult to remove.


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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2006, 02:34:03 PM »
Yes, I will oil the seals and threads before I put them back.  However, the job at hand is removal!  But assuming I get them off, I'll be sure to lube them before I put them back in place so I don't have to go through this again.   ;D

Thanks for the replies, heading to Sears after work.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2006, 04:16:07 PM »
tt400...went to both sites...nice...was really impressed with the billet replacement parts...quality but costly!!

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2006, 04:17:24 PM »
Great site Kevin, really nice work

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2006, 07:50:38 PM »
ofreen,
I did as you said.  After work I stopped down at Sears, picked up a six sided 17mm box wrench.  Man'o'man, I wish I would have done that sooner.  Now I know why people have both 12s and 6 sided wrenches.  That six sided wrench didn't slip once and I got all the valve covers off without a problem.  Even the two that I had already stripped with vice grips.  And those buggers were on there real tight too, I had to take a rubber hammer to the wrench for some of them, but again, the wrench didn't slip a bit.

I will be able to re-use them too, which is nice.  I put the ones that I messed up on the outside cylinders, that way, if I have a problem again, the crappy ones will be easier to get too.  But I think, I should be ok, if I lube up the covers and not tighten them so damn tight.

Thanks again to everyone.

BTW, ttr400, great site.  Its wonderful to see new parts available for our bikes, especially as high quality as yours appear to be.  Nice stuff!

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2006, 07:56:55 PM »
The round valve covers that must be removed to perform a value adjustment are froze pretty good.  Some I can remove others are stuck.  I've tried some penetrating oil. To make matters worse, since the hex heads are a bit under sized, it is hard to get a good bite on the stuborn ones.  I am thinking about making a wrench to fit from a piece of sheet metal or try using the Craftsmen stripped bolt removal sockets.  Adjustable wrenches seem to have too much give to stay on the soft metal.  As a last resort I could dremmel a notch for a large screwdriver, but that will not help the bike in the looks catagory.

Anyone else have experience with this?  I have heard others talk of this, but I couldn't find any results via a soch4.us search.

And finally, anyone know of where I can get some new valve covers if I need to replace ones that I buggered up?

Of course, thanks as always!
-j

The single reason these stick is because the o-rings flatten out and harden up.  Replace the o-rings about every third tuine-up, don't over-tighten, and they'll never give you trouble.  The part should be readily available from Honda, as they continued to use it on th rear drive units on some shaft drive models.  Also, accessory companies such as Parts Unlimited sell Taiwanese knock-offs.  :-)
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2006, 08:43:34 PM »
I was told the spark plug wrench that comes with the toolkit is a perfect fit. I am about to try a do mine. I will really soak them for a dy of two wityh Kroil. Then a good fitting wrench like the Craftsman and a bit of rubber hammer for shock.
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2006, 08:47:07 PM »
I never had any problem getting even stubborn ones off when using the old chisel around in circle trick.
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2006, 05:37:28 AM »
Well after almost 28 years of CB750 ownership, I had still not discovered a suitable tool for removing the really stubborn ones, even my special "Metrinch" sockets and spanners (Simply the best tools in the world, and more surprisingly, they're English!) would rip ther corners offa them.

Out of sheer desperation, I pulled out the most useless (until now) tool I've ever been given, the "Supa Spanner", a "fad" tool "As seen on TV" about 25 years ago, and always demonstrated on a hinge bolt on a farm gate-post, because due to it's design, it wouldn't fit anywhere else.

How the "Supa Spanner" works, is it has two ends with a weird sort of "diamond-hex" hole at either end, that is hinged off the tools handle. To tighten or loosen, you put the hex hole thingie over the hex head of the bolt, or nut, then bear on it with the "Cam" shaped on either end of the handle, and bugger me, it worked perfectly! Now this is on a CB750k2 that, judging by the "fur" on the alloy and the rusty running gear, has seen more than it's fair share of wet weather, probably leaning up against a farm shed for the last few years.

I got so "cocky" that I removed the oil gallery plug so as to fit an oil pressure gauge, just to make sure the oil pump is still alive? The "Supa Spanner" worked perfectly for these tasks. I doubt if there'd be any for sale nowadays (although I haven't checked Ebay yet) but just about every male Aussie would have one in the bottom of his toolkit, as they were cheap "stocking stuffers" and i'm sure I was given at least two, although I can't find the second one, so maybe I "re-gifted" it the following christmas, ha ha! Okay, here's a couple of pics, ooh, and also, when you refit them (if you don't buy a set of kevin's beautiful CNC replacements, I've got a set and they are magnificent!) put a dab of anti-sieze compound on them, oil won't obviously do much as they're pretty much awash with oil with normal use? Cheers, Terry.     
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2006, 07:06:15 AM »
Terry, that tool is readily available in Spain in any big supermarket. Made in China, but I've had a set for some years now and never had a trouble with it. Furthermore, mine have open ends so I can use it also to turn a tube or rod.


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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2006, 10:07:47 AM »
j-  I think I have Georgefix's email address somewhere.  PM me if you need it.

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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2006, 02:45:41 PM »
Terry, that tool is readily available in Spain in any big supermarket. Made in China, but I've had a set for some years now and never had a trouble with it. Furthermore, mine have open ends so I can use it also to turn a tube or rod.
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G'Day Raul, have you got a pic? I'd like to see an open-end version? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2006, 02:49:09 PM »
Sure. Next time I go to the shop I'll take some pictures.


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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2006, 03:07:46 PM »
Sure. Next time I go to the shop I'll take some pictures.
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That's ok mate, I thought you said you had a set? Don't bother going to the shops to take a pic, I thought you meant that you had some? Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2006, 03:16:58 PM »
I do have a set. When I say "go to the shop" I mean "downstairs my appartment were my toolboxes and the remains of my "boat anchor" are waiting to be reassembled". Anyway, the set sells for about 3 or 4 euros, so it's not an expensive item.


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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2006, 03:22:54 PM »
I do have a set. When I say "go to the shop" I mean "downstairs my appartment were my toolboxes and the remains of my "boat anchor" are waiting to be reassembled". Anyway, the set sells for about 3 or 4 euros, so it's not an expensive item.
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Fair enough mate, well, next time you're down there slaving over that ol' boat anchor, take a pic of those tools? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Any tips on removing valve covers from a CB750K2
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2006, 03:44:52 PM »
Good thing I finally got those buggers off.  I did a valve adjustment today, and they were really tight.  After the adjustment, I noticed right away that the bike is starting easier when cold.  I'll call it a success! (insert sound of beer can opening)

Dare I say add this thread (or parts of it) to the FAQ?  Seems to be a lot of good info and experience getting these tappet covers off.  From supa spanniers to 6 sx-sided wrenches to pounding them loose.
-j
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