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New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« on: January 25, 2010, 01:20:07 PM »
Hi everybody,

I put a post up over in the project forum but I figured it was worth discussing here too.

I bought a 1975 CB550 K1 nearly two years ago.  I had started tearing it down back then but ran out of time and motivation.

Recently, I got that motivation back.

Problem 1:  I'm a noob.  And with this project, I didn't really have a working bike to start with.  I know the engine wasn't seized, I know the kicker moved, but I never heard her run (I got a GREAT deal).

Problem 2:  Because I'm a noob and because of the condition of the bike, I don't even know what I don't know.

So to combat problem 2, I've done LOTS of research here, in shop manuals, and frankly looked at tons of build threads.  And made some progress - like in the pic below, I got just about everything off the frame.


But I've been thinking of dealing with Problem 1 in the following ways:
Does anyone on here live in Atlanta and want to lend me expertise in things like: body work, welding, wiring, etc.?
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Can anyone recommend a shop that might be a good place to start?

Incidentally, here's the blog where I've been documenting the progress... http://cb550k1.blogspot.com/

Thanks for your help!

eli
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 02:51:57 PM »
Welcome!!

If you are planning on taking it to a shop, you might as well go and buy a running bike, it will be A LOT CHEAPER!!

I have yet to come across any shop that charges less than 70 per hour. Just to do wiring on the bike will put you back a few hundred. As for welding, it would not be too hard to find a local car shop or someone in their backyard to do some mods for cheap.

Syncing carbs would be around 75-100 depending on shop.
Rebuilding them/ cleaning them at least 200 plus parts


Basically what I am getting at is this:
If you are attached to this bike for some reason and have really deep pockets, take it to a shop and enjoy. If not, and you are not willing to do the work yourself, it would more cost effective to buy a completed bike. At the end of the day, even the people who build them on here have more into them than they can sell them for.

You can learn to do anything on here. Just take it one thing at a time for assembly. I have come across thousands of pictures on this site, and it should not be too hard to find some for parts you're putting together. The electrics are a little trickier, but if you can read a diagram and are not color blind, is not impossible.


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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 05:22:18 PM »
Thanks Shizz!

To be honest, I don't want to take it to a shop, but I'm anxious to get to riding and my gut tells me I won't be ready by spring.

I am confident that I could learn every bit of this - and I may do that yet.  I'm just a bit intimidated by so much and not really having anyone in person to help me out.

Ultimately you may be right in that I may be better off buying a running bike.  But I'd like to get this one going. 

Some stuff that scares me more is the safety aspect.  Like, how would I know if the frame I've got is true?

In any case, thanks for the reply and cheers!
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 05:38:22 PM »
If you have a reasonable budget and are decent with a wrench and a computer, you can get it rideable. If you have a lot of time to spend on this, you can be ready sometime in the spring. I am a bit ahead of you in my rebuild, but there is still lots to do. My (unfair) advantage is I went to school for this kind of stuff, so it comes a bit easier for me. At least you get to work inside though... Anyway if you spend some time here and do some searches from the home page for the topics you need, you will find the info you need. If you don't have a manual, you can probably find one here or elsewhere online... Good luck, take it slow, and be meticulous. If you need any help, ask!!! 
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 07:14:18 PM »
Ok - consider me re-motivated to get going on this project again.  I would still like to find someone local on this board who I could run things by, but in the meantime, maybe I'll just get started by cleaning up everything and putting it all back together.  I guess for now I'll assume that the frame is good and the engine will run - until it doesn't.

Thanks for the encouragement.
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2010, 07:35:58 PM »
If you can find someone local to help, get them to show you how to do a compression check. And run the transmission up and down through the gears(may have to spin the drive sprocket a bit to get it to shift right). If those check out, all you need is fuel and spark and she SHOULD run and ride... Better to figure that out before you get the motor back in the frame. Did you check the member map yet? I am sure there is someone in ATL that might help. You can do a lot of good with a few rattlecans of paint... know how I know???
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2010, 08:56:40 PM »
welcome ewendkos!

fwiw: i'm with vg and shizz. and i encourage you to not let the project overwhelm you, but to take it in parts.

edit: when looking for parts suppliers and such check out the forum "badguys/good guys to do business with" section.

not the real title but i'm too lazy to look it up. this site does have a wealth of info and great folks.


cool blog btw.


 
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2010, 11:13:45 PM »
is the bike more or less complete?like it only needs to be put together?you might find someone close by from here who can help?go to your local library (or computer) and find info on the four stroke engine if you dont already know how they work,its the same as a car motor,if your motor will run with out being taken apart half the battle is won,have you got enough hand tools?this is where a mate can help out!,its a modified frame so how good the welding is should be looked at,your right about the safety aspect,you could buy a going bike and use this as a spare engine/parts bike ,and or sell it,or press on,,you sound keen to get riding,,this project looks like itll need a fair bit of sorting once its running,,plus i guess you have an inspection certificate to pass,,dont give it to a shop,itll cost a kings ransom!!id buy a similar running bike,have fun on that as you learn on the project.

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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 06:49:56 PM »
Thanks all for the encouragement - I got back at it tonight.

I figure if I just do a little bit every so often I should be able to make progress.  Tonight, nothing worth showing, but I pulled the front wheel off the forks and I got started stripping paint off the engine.  Just damn.  The stuff comes off relatively easily, but the PO apparently did like 15 coats of rattlecan black with no sanding and no priming.  It may seem like I should get the thing running first, but this black all over the place is really bothering me.  So I got about 1/15 of the engine stripped tonight.

I also discovered that I'm missing a chain guard.  Two engines and no chain guard.  Ugh.

@dave - I think it's complete, but when I acquired it, it wasn't completely put together.  It's a true basket.  I've got what looks like most of the pieces and parts, but obviously I won't be sure until I start reassembling.  I have a lot of hand tools - obviously not everything.  I don't have any specialty tools, but so far I haven't needed them.  I do have a neighbor who's a gearhead, but he doesn't no Japanese bikes and frankly I've been waiting to recruit him until I'm to a point where I can't continue. 

Regarding inspection, lucky for me, I'm in Georgia.  Things are pretty lax here (like I don't need a title, this is considered antique).

@vanilla - question - can I do a compression check with just an engine?  Or will I need to put it back in the frame and wire it up?  Nice job on the paint and build, btw.
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 07:03:31 PM »
And another question:  On top of the engine there are two side covers called the "left and right side cover in the shop manual".  On my engine, there's a threaded rod running out of each of these with a decorative pointed nut on them.  Does this rod serve a purpose?  Is there supposed to be a bolt holding these side covers on (in addition to the o-ring on the dowels)?
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 07:09:10 PM »
Hey Man......Hurry up and "get er done".  I'm a little north of Atl. and I wanna be riding with you by spring. :)

I'm not much with a wrench but I do have a 76 550K that I bought new and is still pretty much stock.  If it would help to see one all put together...let me know and I'll ride over (after it warms up a bit).  Good luck and give me a shout.
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 07:23:30 PM »
And another question:  On top of the engine there are two side covers called the "left and right side cover in the shop manual".  On my engine, there's a threaded rod running out of each of these with a decorative pointed nut on them.  Does this rod serve a purpose?  Is there supposed to be a bolt holding these side covers on (in addition to the o-ring on the dowels)?

threaded rod with a nut?  Sounds like a PO modification.  The covers shown here as part # 13 are held on by cross-hatch screws when it rolled out of the factory.

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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 07:29:21 PM »
Hmm... I'm dumb... Yeah, you need to have the starter wired up at least... Don't know what I was thinking... There may be a way to do it out of the frame, but I wouldn't know. As far as the threaded rods(I am not familiar with the 550, btw) was probably used instead of the bolts to allow the use of the pointy things. I imagine, if you can get two nuts onto the rod and lock them against eachother, you can put a wrench on the inside one to spin the rod out. Not too hard though, cause I could be wrong. Someone who knows better help me out(am I right or wrong)!

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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2010, 07:58:09 PM »
Thanks!

@OldSchool - 13 is the part I'm talking about.  It looks like there is a bolt in that diagram, #52.  I can't tell if 53 and 54 are related, they look like washers?  And I think 42 is the O-ring that holds the dowels in.  Any tips on where I should go to find more?  Great diagram and thanks for the help!

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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2010, 09:57:56 PM »
@Bluto - thanks for the encouragement also!  I'm actually north of Atlanta in Acworth and can't wait to get riding.  Us middle-aged guys gotta stick together.
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2010, 09:21:41 AM »
Hey Ewen,

Check the FAQ section here for a list of vendors.  There are a lot of parts, especially O-rings and such, that your Honda dealer can still get.  I rebuilt my entire top end last year with parts from Western Hills Honda and Service Honda.  Piston rings, gaskets, valve seals, O-rings, etc etc etc
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2010, 05:31:28 PM »
I am north of Atlanta also and if you need some let me know............

I know a little about welding also and have a few bikes to boot

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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2010, 06:00:08 PM »
Hey guys thanks again for weighing in!

Jim - your shop looks incredible - all that great equipment!  I'll take you up on your offer soon - mainly to have someone who knows welding take a look at my frame and make sure it looks ok.  PM me when you have a free weekend afternoon.
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 06:15:09 PM »
There is actually quite a few of us on here from Northeast GA.  I'm in Gainesville along with my brother-in-law and we both have a couple of 750s.  We turned mine in to a hard tail and one of his into a cafe, the other is just gonna be thrown together so we can ride come the good weather.  I'm not real familliar with the 550 but am willing to help with what i can, as I learned the hard way with my bike (doing a top end rebuild and a complete from scratch wiring harness).  And also my brother-in-law has a large weld and fab shop/ business where we work out of.

I have met one of our other members from that area a couple of times, he has come to the shop and we have tried to help him get his bike going as well.  Look in the Owners Club section go under USA and then Georgia and you should find some more people from the area who might be closer then me.  Although feel free to contact me and I'll try to help when I can.

Anyway good luck with project, keep us updated, and hopefully we can arrange a big North GA meet sometime this summer.

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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2010, 01:41:18 AM »
if you have the motor on the floor,and oil in it,with the spark plugs out and the compression guage handy,you can jump it with your car battery to spin it for a compression test ,connect one negative lead to a good point on the casing,and the positive to the starter main thicker black wire,then connect the other end of the negative lead to the negative battery post,,now as soon as you connect or hold the remaining positive lead to the battery positive post the starter will spin the motor.take care,,if the carbies are attatched make sure they are at full open throttle and the choke open.

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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 02:12:16 AM »
well, i'm around 4 hours east of you in Columbia SC but i'd be happy to help in any way. i try to get to atlanta every couple of months.
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 08:22:53 PM »
Dave - thanks so much for the advice on that!  I'll try it this weekend and post the results here.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2010, 12:59:14 PM »
So I have what I think is bad news based on my compression tests.

I ran it with facing the front of the engine with 1 on the left and 4 on the right.

Cylinder 1 - great!  120 psi
Cylinder 2 - essentially 0 psi (there was compression, but not enough to register on the dial)
Cylinder 3 - 110 psi
Cylinder 4 - 100 psi There was also a pretty decent clunk on cylinder 4.

I tested all cylinders at approx 8 seconds each.  I triple-checked cylinder number 2.

So?  What does this mean?  I have a second engine if you think that would be helpful but I haven't compression tested it yet.
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Re: New - looking for advice - Atlanta - CB550
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2010, 01:23:39 PM »
Friend of mine is in Atlanta, his parents are in Marietta.
Not sure what he's up to at present (I think he went back to college?)
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2010, 11:54:30 PM »
ewendkos,that zero reading is a bad bad sign,could be a few things,like a hole burned in the piston,or a dropped valve head (theres your clunk?)um,if you take of the rocker cover at least you should see if the valves are intact,you may aswell pull the entire top end of if you have the tools and a little experience.check your second engine aswell,make sure it has oil in it.the cylinders are numbered 1,,on the gear shift side 2,,3,,then 4 on the brake lever side.good luck,if you can use the other motor you can learn on the dead one by taking it apart and try reassembling it for experience etc..