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Offline johnny

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Opinions? Zero Electric Motorcycles.
« on: September 03, 2011, 06:35:17 AM »
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/

Anyone have one? Rode one?
I'm not completely sold on the look but I'm intrigued about the possibility of a short distance, zero emissions commuter.
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Offline Bodi

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Re: Opinions? Zero Electric Motorcycles.
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 07:57:06 AM »
I rode one. Impressive torque. I don't know the range, but pushing any motorcycle ain't fun.
There is no zero emissions vehicle - well, maybe a skateboard I guess. You just move the emissions somewhere else, and coal powered electric generation is a huge emissions source.
The electrical distribution network is unable to provide vehicle charging demand. It's estimated that if one in ten homes had an electric car the local distribution grid would be overloaded and fail.
I think electrical vehicles have their place but can never be universal. Liquid fuel has a vastly - really vastly - better energy storage density than any known or imagined battery system. The ability to store fuel at gas stations and almost instantly refill a vehicle fuel tank compared to parking your car for an hour while it recharges enough to drive a few hours? No comparison. Rural electrical distribution is very limited. A rural recharge station would have to have new power lines installed (miles of it a huge expense) or install a monster generator (burning diesel probably - there goes the low emission claim) to charge more than one vehicle at the maximum rate.
The batteries are another issue. With careful maintenance and a respectful driving style, a modern gas or diesel engine will last years and hundreds of thousands of miles. Regardless of how they're used and maintained, batteries will require replacement after maybe 5 years if you're lucky - and your driving range will progressively drop during that 5 years. The cost of a replacement battery is staggering, similar to the cost of replacing the engine and transmission in a gas/diesel vehicle.
For urban/suburban delivery, electric makes some sense. A delivery fleet can be designed with quick-replace batteries and have service vehicles to quickly swap them out if one discharges prematurely.
The reality with consumer cars is that the manufacturers will never agree on a common battery chemistry and form factor so that quick-swap stations are practical.
For a commuter with a known daily drive and no desire to go on any long trips an electric car is reasonable, and you could rent a gas/diesel vehicle for long trips. You do save quite a lot on fuel cost with electric power. However, the last time I did a rough calculation the economics were not good: you have to drive way more miles per day than is possible within the range of an available electric car before the fuel cost saving makes up the huge original cost premium for your electric car over a basic gas/diesel car, without even considering the eventual battery replacement cost.

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Re: Opinions? Zero Electric Motorcycles.
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 01:26:56 PM »
There is no zero emissions vehicle

The whole electric vehicle thing is a scam on the level that "cash for clunkers" was.  Every point you made is true, yet the government is subsizing electric vehicles at considerable expense.  Charging systems are being installed at taxpayer expense and are intended to be used at no charge (no pun intended) to the user.  Tax credits of up to $7500 have been available to electric vehicle buyers.  The question of where all the additional electricity to be used for transportation will come from has not been answered because there is no answer.
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Re: Opinions? Zero Electric Motorcycles.
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2011, 05:06:21 AM »
For those of us with sensitive ears
--they are very quiet--except for "musical" accompanyment (sp?).
Here's mine--based on Honda XL600 frame.

http://youtu.be/9Wm_yo8wXzU?hd=1
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Re: Opinions? Zero Electric Motorcycles.
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 04:15:36 PM »
I agree, where is all the extra electricity going to come from?
Also if many city dwellers get off work, go home, and plug in the car and it is 100º outside guess what will happen next?

Solar charger during the day? But who will pay ? How much will be charged for the charging?  What if some electric cars hog more electricity?

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Re: Opinions? Zero Electric Motorcycles.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 06:37:59 PM »
They are always so ugly!! cheeeessshhh!!!