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Wmcphee89

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550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« on: January 30, 2010, 10:39:25 AM »
I'm putting together a little project.
But first I'm tearing into the motor...
If YOU were to build a cb550 motor, stating period correct... What would you do??
It's stock now , and it's on a 1000 budget.
Let's get creative and see if I can put together a cool vintage cafe racer...

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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 11:44:50 AM »
I would talk to guys in the high performance section. There are lots of threads regarding the 550 and racing.
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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 12:58:07 PM »
AH, I thought this was the high performance section.   ???  ::)
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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 02:30:39 PM »
I'm assuming this is for the track.  In a later part of the post you used the term cafe racer which to me isn't a track bike.

Are you an experienced racer?  If not, build the engine incrementally in the off year.  I think, if you are a beginner, there is a lot more in the bike than in the engine.  If the engine is healthy go to pods or stacks and re-jet, advance your timing, cut off the stator end of the crank and run a total loss system. (I'm saying that because I don't know of vintage races that are endurance so you don't need the charging system)  If you are shifting at stock red-line the stock points system is adequate as are the coils.  It isn't difficult to drop in the 650 cam so I'm told.  I'm doing that this off season.

Everything on the bike is heavy.  The wheels are expensive to change but 7 pounds = one horse power.  Go to dual brakes with a master cylinder from a later CBR, you'll stop very well.  You don't have enough horse power in the engine unless heavily modified to spin your rear wheel but you need a very good front tire.  Learn to use your weight to brake, turn and accelerate.  Gear the bike for the track you're on.  That is easily done with rear sprockets but you need a chain for each different sprocket.  Get your forks set and working as well as you can.

In summary I'd say that unless you are experienced and reasonably good you need to have a reliable bike and you need to learn to race.  A lot of engine isn't important at the beginning stages.  You need to race and as you get better you make the improvements to the bike that you can use.
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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 03:36:24 PM »
Thanks for your input... It is very appreciated!!
I'm going to do a total restore on a 74 cb550k
I found a complete bike but after tinkering I found it to be a little far gone for a mild fresh up so it's going down to the bare bones....
I will track this bike 100% of the time so I want it to be reliable and strong.
And as it sits now I'm rebuilding the engine first just for #$%*s and giggles... IF it runs . (crossed fingers) I'll vintage rAce it. This is just a hobby bike to see what I personally can do, and revive an old cb while I'm a it,
I do have racing experience my full time race bike is an sv, so I know there is more to it then motor...
Obviously... But right now the thing has got to run first, and if I have
to rebuild it. Why not make it a mild badass screamer while I'm at it,, mild
is more leaning towards budget! 

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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 04:21:53 PM »
It started with a thought.. Cool project! Lol
So I brought I home to find it was seized,
Took the head off first, here's what Im lookin at









Now my question is what to do.... Part it and start over or..........

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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 06:02:06 PM »
depends on if the seats look as bad as the rest... if i were building a race engine i'd be regrinding the seats and replacing lots of the valve train anyway, but you might be better off finding a cheap replacement head. #2 looks pretty bad.. i'd be surprised if the seats weren't as rusted. they are deep seats, but there's only so far you can cut without burying the valve.
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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 07:20:17 PM »
Thanks for your input... It is very appreciated!!
I'm going to do a total restore on a 74 cb550k
I found a complete bike but after tinkering I found it to be a little far gone for a mild fresh up so it's going down to the bare bones....
I will track this bike 100% of the time so I want it to be reliable and strong.
And as it sits now I'm rebuilding the engine first just for #$%*s and giggles... IF it runs . (crossed fingers) I'll vintage rAce it. This is just a hobby bike to see what I personally can do, and revive an old cb while I'm a it,
I do have racing experience my full time race bike is an sv, so I know there is more to it then motor...
Obviously... But right now the thing has got to run first, and if I have
to rebuild it. Why not make it a mild badass screamer while I'm at it,, mild
is more leaning towards budget! 
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You can take it quite a bit larger and get a more radical cam.  The two guys I know that really modified their motors found that they didn't take the stress as well as they thought.  They beat everybody while they lasted though.

If money is no object you can go right at it.  But if money is an issue, if you go to a more radical cam than a 650 you need to go to better than stock springs and you will beat the valves and seats up.  I'm retired and need to stay low budget.  I have an Action fours piston kit made for the 500 and will bump my 550 up to 570 which I'll put in sometime this year.

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Re: 550 vintage race bike build.. What would YOU do?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 09:52:26 AM »
there are quite a few of us here doing race 500/550's.

If you really intend to race it, then get hold of the regulations for your organization, you dont want to build something that you cant run at the end due to some stupid technicality. Go watch some vintage racing, take photos and talk with people running small sohc's in your local track. helped me a lot

I have managed to build a pretty competitive 500cc race motor with a relative low cash outlay, so its doable if you have good hands.

count on upgrading as you go. I switched to CR carbs only after two seasons, bringing my first trophy home this year.

Contrary to what ryder says, I think that small sohc motors are quite reliable and will take plenty of abuse, did not have a DNF for three years. You just have to be maniacal with preparation.   Plan on at least 200-300 hours to transform a street bike into a racer if you do the work yourself.