Topic: 69 cb750 $18k and climbing!

[bender01]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Honda-CB750_W0QQitemZ330401508875QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_motorcycles?hash=item4ced76ee0b
  Is this a sandcast? It doesnt say.I dont know the ser#s off my head.

[Hasenkopf]

saw it....my respose was, ....(yawn).....

[Hasenkopf]

i mean, it's a nice bike,   but the whole  "sandcast' thing.....you know.

[themotoworks]

yeah, that's called shill bidding... bet the reserve is $18,001... bet his wife bid the 18k

[Noel]

First year, 113 miles, stored inside... The seller says it's a museum piece and I'm inclined to agree. The price doesn't surprise me.

I think I'll try for it. I'd like to cafe it, do the tank with Krylon, post a pic here, and see what TwoTired says. 

[754]

It looks pretty good for an unrestored bike.

 serial number is 43XX

 I doubt it will stay under 20K

[Simpson]

sorry, this appears to be a restored bike to me.
Tires, seat, key, oil filter, shock boots, clamps etc...

[Swoop]

Yup ...restored....with several incorrect parts, I believe.

[MasterChief750]

i am by no means an expert but i dont think those are the original gauges either. seems to be a resoration, are the headlight ears painted on an original sandcast?

[Swoop]

And according to this ... http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=65118.0

He is looking for 22,000

[69modelj]

Anyone know when the oil filter housing changed from "smooth" to the "finned" style?

[chrislib]

meh

[cb650]

First year, 113 miles, stored inside... The seller says it's a museum piece and I'm inclined to agree. The price doesn't surprise me.

I think I'll try for it. I'd like to cafe it, do the tank with Krylon, post a pic here, and see what TwoTired says. 

 

[stickman]

113 miles???  He has worst luck than me breaking off a cylinder head fin in 113 miles.........got to be a resto

[Simpson]

For 22k, it should be parts correct. No broken fins..   

[KB02]

I think I'll try for it. I'd like to cafe it, do the tank with Krylon, post a pic here, and see what TwoTired says. 

 

[kos]

Yes, I put on the Sandcast Only seminars at the 2009 AMA Vintage Days with my guest speakers, Bob Hansen, father of the Honda SOHC and Bob Jameson, Dick Mann's tuner Daytona 200 and one of two Americans to be present when this bike was first rolled off production line. And everyone of the SOOC members were very nice and easy to work with, but NONE road any of the bikes to this event, nor do I think they EVER ride them when back at their respect home bases. It's all about "what is your serial number?"

I have never figured out the attraction of a bike that they made over 7400 of being a collectors piece. 5 Corvette Grand Sports or 7 Cobra Daytona coupes...now that's rare and collectible!

The infactuation with the CB750K0.... that had the most problems and was the most troublesome to keep tuned and running correctly... is something I have never understood. I was a mechanic when these came out and all I did was try to stop oil leaks coming from chain oil-er, resetting carb balance settings, replacing rear tires every 2000-2500 miles, and exchanging the crankcases as the chains were breaking on a regular basis.


Again, I like all the people involved with this group and will do whatever I can to support them, but I do have a problem with any group or individual that does not use their motorbike for what is was designed for....riding!


KOS

[Laminar]

yeah, that's called shill bidding... bet the reserve is $18,001... bet his wife bid the 18k

$18,000 was the minimum starting bid.

But looking at the one bidder's history is interesting - almost every single one of his bids in the past 30 days was made within a few hours of an auction's opening.

[Swoop]

but NONE road any of the bikes to this event, nor do I think they EVER ride them when back at their respect home bases. It's all about "what is your serial number?"




KOSagain

Not entirely true....while I trailered my bike from Canada....I rode it back to the hotel and back ....and it is ridden weekly back home. Perhaps many fit your stereo type.....but not all. Bikes were made to ride. IMHO

[754]

I think a lot of classic bike (and cars) are classics because of the CHANGES the ushered in or new performance level or new designs.. NOT because they were fine uber-reliable machines.

 36 EL
 
 AJS Porcupine

 Honda 250 six

 Kawasaki 500 triple

 the list goes on and on.

Now 7400 is/was a lot of bikes, but few bikes in history, got modded into as many forms as the CB 750, there was a lot of attrition..which means there are a lot of incompletes..

 Now if you saved your pennies and saved your dimes, and you finally got that 409, some feel/know that they cant go through all that again if something were to happen to it.

 That is why I sold  # 572... .. if I rode it, I would forever be that "A"hole on the 69...

[Ricky_Racer]

Good Sandcast restorers would make great accountants. And isn't that exciting?    RR

[Swoop]

 That is why I sold  # 572... .. if I rode it, I would forever be that "A"hole on the 69...

Ouch 

[markb]

Anyone know when the oil filter housing changed from "smooth" to the "finned" style?

According to the SOOC forum the first finned oil filter was 4149 so the finned one should be correct on this bike.

I don't care what anyone says, I like my sandcast.

[kos]

but NONE road any of the bikes to this event, nor do I think they EVER ride them when back at their respect home bases. It's all about "what is your serial number?"




KOSagain

Not entirely true....while I trailered my bike from Canada....I rode it back to the hotel and back ....and it is ridden weekly back home. Perhaps many fit your stereo type.....but not all. Bikes were made to ride. IMHO

I stand corrected and how could I forget Big Bob of Chicago area rode his bike around the grounds for three days at AMA Vintage Days event...yep and it was a sandcast and very rough, but no less.... a sandcast.

KOS

[traveler]

A bike is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

~Joe

[69modelj]

Anyone know when the oil filter housing changed from "smooth" to the "finned" style?

According to the SOOC forum the first finned oil filter was 4149 so the finned one should be correct on this bike.

I don't care what anyone says, I like my sandcast.

Thanks for that answer. I wasn't sure if it was correct. The way the term sandcast is being thrown about these past few years, it makes some of us suspicious. I did notice that bike has what appears to be the correct cut front fender, among other things too. A nice motorcycle for sure. The thing that disappoints me personally tho, is that all the hype drives the whole 750 market. It's getting harder and harder to find reasonable priced bikes or parts, sandcast or otherwise. It takes the hobby away from the enthusiast/owner
and turns it in the direction of a Barrett Jackson dream. I just think it's a double edged sword and hope our beloved 750 never gets to the point of becoming an overpriced status symbol. Don't mean to step on any toes, JMO

[Zaipai]

I have never figured out the attraction of a bike that they made over 7400 of being a collectors piece. 5 Corvette Grand Sports or 7 Cobra Daytona coupes...now that's rare and collectible!

KOS

Its not a collectors item because of how many were or were not made. I have friends with Vettes that were massed produced yet "collect" them. The fact is this bike started some thing, it ushered in the start of the superbikes.  They were pretty reliable. My dad had one and put some thing like 30k on it with very little maintenance. Personally, if I had the money or could get it I would buy this in a heart beat restored or not. As it is I have to be happy with the pictures... sigh.

.: Scott :.

[754]

69 model... do you think you will have better luck with a 302  69 Camaro..price  wise.. ...

[Zaipai]

69 model... do you think you will have better luck with a 302  69 Camaro..price  wise.. ...

Yea I guess that was my point, the number of some thing produced has nothing to do with weather or not it becomes a collectors item. Plus, 7k of those, how many do you think are left.. Not many I bet.

Just my 2 cents..

.: Scott :.

[754]

The pice on these is driven by demand, more than rarity..


 There are many bikes that could be made in smaller numbers, ie a CZ, but if no one is buying them, the price will stay low..

[markb]

I agree, but I think they're plenty rare.  Besides the one I own the only other sandcast I've seen in person was in the early '70's.  I would guess there's less than 1000 left out of 7414 and half of them aren't in this country.

Don't mean to step on any toes, JMO

No problem here.

[Old Scrambler]

I agree with the 'buyer's make the market' approach to value. I rode my original sandcast until the chain let go in June of '70. From then on it was a dye-cast. If you wanted to buy or restore an early 750/4 the SOOC is the best source of verification now available. I can tell you what I remember about my bike, as others can tell you about their specific bikes. But when did the horn move or when did the rolled vs standerd rim edges change is now verified by collective sources of verified data. Any 750/4 is regarded as a collectable bike. Why are the K-1 & 2 getting higher prices than later years? Then the later K0 models are higher and the sandcasts at the top.  Buyers make the market.  Thank goodness for buyers!

 

[kos]

I hear what you guys are saying about being collectable, but I still think that rare means very few left. How many Camaro or Corvette pace cars do you want... they are all over round here, and with Vic World making up to 25-30 remade KO's for a price. I still think we are a long way from rare.


Collectable..is another thing.


IMHO.... a stock, unmolested, slightly used CB750KO is more collectable and rare... than a World M/C's new one. But, the market driven world we live in does not produce this result.


KOS

[69modelj]

69 model... do you think you will have better luck with a 302  69 Camaro..price  wise.. ...

Naw, I gave up on those a long time ago.  But your question illustrates my point. Sour grapes, maybe, but it does kinda suck.
I am not against anyone makin a few dollars. Quite the opposite.
It's the market side effect that spoils it for me. And for the record, I LOVE the sandcast bikes. I even had a line on a K0 a few years back, before the guy baled on me. I envy you amongst us that have them. If I were to own one, tho, it'd be because I love the style of those particular bikes. Guess what I'm tryin to say is I aint in it for the money. And it's gettin more expensive all the time....PEACE