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Parent rant
« on: February 08, 2010, 08:19:33 PM »
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Some of you may have noticed I am a "pinko/liberal/tree-humping/socialist/hippie." That does of course play into how I raise my children. However, I like to think this is a little more universal.
My oldest son is the same age as my cousin, and they are great friends. My boys and I drove to Michigan this weekend for her fifth birthday. Mostly it was a great time, we had a lot of fun. At the end of the day my 5 year old picks uo a bottle of water from the table and asks if he can take it for the ride home. "No buddy, thats someone elses. We'll find you one of your own. Please put it back" Rather than walking three steps to the table to put it down he throws it onto the table. Not hard enough to do damage, but still, not how it should have been done. So I say "hey buddy, that's not alright. You know better than to throw things. What was that all about?"
This is where my aunt's mother interupts "you do that again and i'll give you a spanking"  >:( >:( >:(

I don't even know this womans name. I've met her twice. WHERE THE HELL DO PEOPLE GET OFF???????????????
Not only is she threatening physical harm to MY child, but I am his PARENT! Not her. I wasn't her house, my son harmed her in no way. WTF!?  He lobbed a capped water bottle 3 feet onto a table and this gives a near complete stranger cause to interupt my parenting with threats of VIOLENCE? REALLY?

So, yeah. Am I just over-reacting because of my specific parenting views (ie, I don't think hitting him is a proper response to a simple act of laziness) or did this #$%* seriously over step some boundries?

P.S. My son's response, "what's a spanking?"
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 08:23:17 PM »
Isn't your Aunts' mom your Grandmother? Or Grandmother-in-Law, at least....
Yeah, she shouldn't have said anything if you already said something.
If you didn't, though, then yeah, she can say something.
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 08:25:14 PM »
My uncle's mother-in-law. And yeah, she interupted me as I was talking to him about it.
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 08:30:56 PM »
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And yeah, she interupted me as I was talking to him about it.

Which is worse than what your young fella did, another wonderful example for our youth.

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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 08:32:03 PM »
So was this at your uncle and his wifes house? If so, It's a bit more your Grandmother-in-laws house than it is yours.
She probably feels the right to talk to children in that house a little more sternly than if it happend in, say, your house.

If your kid threw something in my house, and you didn't say something right away, I'd speak my peace. Not saying you weren't, but you know, old people, rearing the young, their domain, etc..

Can't agree with you on the spanking thing. I was only spanked about 5 times (by my parents) growing up, but damn, I KNEW I deserved it when I got it.
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 08:33:33 PM »
If you didn't, though, then yeah, she can say something.

Really, though? Again, no harm was done to her personally, wasn't her house, basically a stranger....
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 08:36:04 PM »
Yeah, it was their house, and i kinda get what you mean there. But again, you say you can't agree with me on the spanking, but would this have gotten you one of your five spankings? Really?
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 08:41:55 PM »
No, it wouldn't have, by any means, gotten me a spanking.
'Course, the bad things I did were pretty bad.... I was a good child, otherwise...

May not have been her house, but was her daughters house, and I'm guessing she spends some time there, with her grand children, so no doubt she has, in her mind, the right to keep children in line in the house where she keeps her grandchildren in line...

See? Small dilineation, honestly, between your grandchildren, your cousins children, and your grandshildrens friends, in a house where you watch children....
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 09:28:22 PM »
It wasn't her place to say anything about corporal punishment to your child.
If she had a real beef she could have pulled you aside and talked to YOU.


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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 09:35:36 PM »
Right. Again, I'd have been irritated if she had just interupted me with "hey kid, don't throw stuff", but not to the point that I'd have anything to say about it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 12:53:12 AM »
My kid turns 4 today. We went to his bed to sing the "happy birthday" and he started yelling at us "shut up". So be it, he got to school without his birthday song, and received a spank in his little ass for throwing himself into the floor and refusing to get dressed.

I have read many books about parenting. With my daughter, reasoning works, but with the little bastard, reasoning doesn't. Everytime I try to talk to him about doing things right, he just looks other way and completely ignore me. The only way to get his attention is to take him out of home, shut the door and leave it there for 30 seconds. The prospect of being left alone is enough to make him cry and give you all his attention.

My neighbours say how cruel am I. I'm sorry, I'm doing it for them too, I want to raise a kid that is socially fit and knows that every action have a reaction, and that people out of home won't have the same patience and love that we do have.

Over here, when I was a kid, if we were caught doing wrong, any adult would lecture us, and probably run to us to spank us, so we better run. Now, parents overprotect their kin, and kids know it, you can't lecture a kid on the street because he knows you can't do him anything. Society has the responsability to raise kids too, but many parents have denied that obligation, and therefore, they bear the full responsability.

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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 05:02:53 AM »
Well, I should have know better............... Mlinder, Retro and Dukie, Thanks for the comments guys. Raul, I really don't want to know your excuses for beating your kid, thanks anyway.
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 05:42:23 AM »
granted that i'm only 25, i've seen both sides of the story with my friends that have kids and with my personal experiences.  i'm not saying "beating" you children is right, but it sure whipped my ass into shape on a lot of things when i was a kid.  granted it wasn't beating, it was a spanking, or my dad would come home with the belt in hand and i'd straighten up.  i feel that a child's parents are just that first, and friends later.  my dad and i are very close, as are my mother and i, but they're still my mom and dad first, no questions asked.  i respect them for the good job they did raising me, but i can still come talk to them and reason with them on things.  so syth, i agree with you that if anyone's hands are going to be on your kids, it better be yours or your wife's, and the thought of someone else threatening my kid with physical harm would surely cause that other person to get at LEAST an earful of foul language and heavy threats while the children aren't near.  so glad you could vent in here!!
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2010, 05:57:04 AM »

There is a BIG difference between spanking a child and giving a child a beating. Dont confuse the two.

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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2010, 06:01:14 AM »
Whatever, the OP was about somebody else saying they were gonna hit MY kid. I don't want to hear people's excuses for hitting their own kids.
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2010, 06:16:25 AM »
There is a difference between "beat" and "spank". I have two kids, a boy and a girl. With the girl I have always been able to talk things and she understands what is right and what is wrong. Just by telling her how disappointed I am with her behaviour, is enough for her to change it, as she need her parent's approval and it is a reward in itself. The kid, on the contrary, couldn't care less whether we are disappointed or not. He responds to signs of joy from his parents, but usually he does just what he pleases. For some reason, he doesn't have the same empathy than his sister, and therefore, the reward of his parents being happy with him is easily overshadowed by the instant reward he gets by disrupting his class, stealing somebody else's toys or just running into a tantrum just because you refuse to buy him the eleventh candy of the day. I use a "growing measures" approach.

First I try to explain why I do what I do. If it doesn't work, I try to remove the kid from the object of conflict and explain what is wrong with that -"i.e. the other kid wants to play with his toy, how would you feel if the tables were turned?", and if it doesn't work and the tantrum gets higher, I resort to spank him because once he is out of control, he is unable to calm down by himself and he will increase his level of agression, seeing than by merely crying and shouting doesn't give him results. He will start to hit, punch, and even ran away, completely out of control. I'm sorry, but having to face the decision of whether he will receive an spank or getting in danger for blindly running into the streets, I choose the former.


That being said, I would not let anybody spank him just because. It all depends on the kids age. Mine is just 4, but there are some unruly older kids that need some reality check about what is life like out of his home, overprotected shelter. Some years ago I was joking with some kids - I was like 35 and the kids were something like 11 or 12- I didn't know, it was just some joking on the streets about their bikes or the like. One of the guys spit me in the face. My reaction was purely instinctive - I spit him back. For one moment I felt like I had abused of my physical advantage, but the guy learned a lesson - you better think twice before spitting somebody older than you. Had his father seen me, I don't know what would have happened, but I would have not asked for apologies. If I knew somebody have spit my kid, but hat spit him back, I don't think I would have said anything - kids have to learn the lessons, and some lessons can only be learnt the hard way.

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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 06:23:38 AM »
If you would like to start a thread about why you hit your kid you may do so, I cannot stop you. I feel I have made it clear I don't want to hear about it. MY POST WAS ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE, A STRANGER THREATENING TO HIT MY KID.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 06:30:26 AM »
After my long post, probably I haven't made my point clear yet.

Do I think spanking is good? Neither good nor bad, I don't enjoy it but I think that in some situations, its long term benefits exceed the short term cost.

Would I like somebody, not a close relative, spank my kid? It depends. If my kid has done something wrong, knowing it was wrong, he has to learn to face the consequences of his acts, as long as the punishment is appropiate to the damage done and the kid's age. If I have a 16 year old kid coming home with a broken nose because he was caught paiting grafitti onto somebody else's wall, he had to learn to respect the others.

Would I feel uneasy if somebody, not related to the house or possible damaged object, threatens to spank my kid? Surely I would.

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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 06:34:57 AM »
You should have said to your aunt:

"YOU do that again and i'll give YOU a spanking!"


hehehehe

But seriously, she probably thought she was doing you a favor...and she is family, it was her "turf". I'm not defending her, just trying to figure out her reasoning.
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 06:39:50 AM »
Syth, he says he spanks his child when needed. Not beats.
There is a difference.

If a child is incapable of working things out on a higher level of consciousness, then a parent may have to resort to the most base level of 'reward' as punishment.
Namely, something like spanking.

It's good that your child seems to be able to work things out on a higher level, one of morals and logic.

Some aren't. Spanking should always be a last resort, in my opinion, but the option still exists as a valid last resort.
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Re: Parent rant
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 06:48:09 AM »
Was this woman up there in age?  It's been my experience that when they reach the mid 70s, they tend to lose the filter that would have stopped them from saying something they wouldn't have in their earlier years.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 06:48:48 AM »
I feel that hitting someone is hitting someone. If you were to "spank" an adult (without consent  ;) ) you could be charged with assault. Because it's wrong. My point was I wasn't here to discuss this. You and others seems to be fine keeping it on topic. Raul, unprompted, decided he needed to justify his abuse of his child. I really didn't want to talk about it. And now the thread will almost certainly devolve into a discussion of whether it's morally or legally right to hit someone who is much, much smaller than you.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2010, 06:50:26 AM »
Was this woman up there in age?  It's been my experience that when they reach the mid 70s, they tend to lose the filter that would have stopped them from saying something they wouldn't have in their earlier years.

Yeah, I wa skinda thinking this too. Also, a lot of people over 60 have different ideas about the virtues or downsides of spanking than later generations, and 50 years ago, you prolly got spanked at your friends house if youo were being a bad kid.
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 06:52:59 AM »
I'd say mid 60's ish. Not really an excuse not to evolve though.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 06:56:16 AM »
I feel that hitting someone is hitting someone. If you were to "spank" an adult (without consent  ;) ) you could be charged with assault. Because it's wrong. My point was I wasn't here to discuss this. You and others seems to be fine keeping it on topic. Raul, unprompted, decided he needed to justify his abuse of his child. I really didn't want to talk about it. And now the thread will almost certainly devolve into a discussion of whether it's morally or legally right to hit someone who is much, much smaller than you.
I hear you, I just think that people will have different ideas about the definition of 'spanking', whether it is actually 'hitting'.
You are totally entitled to your beliefs on it. It's relative (no pun intended) and as your childs parent, you have every right to dictate whether your child should ever be spanked, by you or anyone else.
I also have a right to my beliefs on the subject, but of course, my actions on my beliefs are always dictated by the wishes and beliefs of the parent of the child in question.
For instance, if you were at my house, and your child was out of control, and I felt you were not handling the situation, I'd ask you to leave with the child. If it happened regularly, I'd ask you not to bring the child over anymore.
I guess I'm in the middle, because I can see spanking being overused, and when that happens, spanking no longer teaches the lesson I think it is capable of.
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