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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2006, 07:36:38 AM »
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+hot babies around+

 ??? ??? ???



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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2006, 07:37:09 AM »
raul - i'm just kidding you, man... ;D  there's absolutely nothing wrong with hot babies if that's what you're in to...
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2006, 07:40:58 AM »
raul - i'm just kidding you, man... ;D  there's absolutely nothing wrong with hot babies if that's what you're in to...

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2006, 07:46:54 AM »
You'll never guess what came up when I did a google image search for "hot baby"!  Seriously!  Go figure?!

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2006, 07:55:01 AM »
 :D (spews Coke out nose...)
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2006, 07:57:47 AM »
Gordon,
your "babe" needs a huge restrictor plate ;D

The restrictor for Danish bikers sounds a bit like the laws in Germany. Is this part of the New Europe?
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2006, 07:59:34 AM »
try as i may, i just can't get google to give me a photo of a baby with flames coming off of it... :'(
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2006, 08:11:00 AM »
try as i may, i just can't get google to give me a photo of a baby with flames coming off of it... :'(

How about this one?  Ouch! :o 

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2006, 08:12:56 AM »
SAVE THE MATCHES!
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2006, 09:45:32 AM »
SteveD CB500F:

I'm in Denmark ;) Bought Harrys CB500K

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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2006, 09:49:49 AM »
Gordon: Insurance costs.

It's the same with cars and 17 year olds.

The risk for the insurance company is not the cost of repairing the car, it's the $2M lawsuit from an injured 3rd party.

In countries with that sort of culture (eg US?), surely it must be the same?
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2006, 10:55:21 AM »
Exactly. In Spain, you won't find any company to insure your japanese bike full coverage. Only in Harleys, BMW's and Triumphs will you find the possibility of insuring against theft or own damage. The reason? Those bikes are bought by wealthy people, they don't like to ride hard, treat them with the utmost care, and they are generally not stolen because the other users won't buy stolen parts. The contrary happens with crotch rockets; a youngster will not hesitate to buy a new fairing to replace the one he cracked popping up a wheelie, even when the buyer looks around everywhere when he's showing the parts in the back of his car...


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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2006, 12:08:50 PM »

 I've known 18-year-old people get killed for buying a crotch rocket. Too young+too much drink+hot babies around+a crotch rocket = recipe for disaster.


What about the argument that stupid people killing themselves is actually better for earth's gene pool?

Though it has to be emotionally scarring to scrape human remains off roadways and other objects that aren't as fast as the crotch rockets...  Perhaps the laws are more for the survivors?

I have a problem with other people trying to "protect" me from myself.  It's the slippery slope toward loss of freedom.  "Submission to a dominating influence" IS a definition of slavery.  What "degree" of slavery are you willing to accept?
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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2006, 12:13:08 PM »
yeah, but what about when they kill someone else - like your wife or children?
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« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2006, 01:08:44 PM »

What about the argument that stupid people killing themselves is actually better for earth's gene pool?

I agree with that to some extent. I also think that if somebody is stupid enough to check how hot the oil is by dipping his finger, he deserve to lose his finger. But you can't simply let people do what they want and hope that only the fittest will survive. Would that mean that we should leave our children to grow on their own? Does it mean that we shouldn't warn our teenage offsprings about drugs or DUI, in the hope that if they are intelligent enough they will make the right decision?

Also, killing themselves would be just fine, but they can kill somebody else in the process. This could be compared with the discussion about weapons, but I'm not in the mood to repeat that discussion again. Also, making something illegal doesn't mean people won't do it. It happened in the US when the alcohol was banned... Laws are like sausages: people follow the former and eat the latter because they don't know how both are done... -it's not my quote-


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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2006, 02:02:35 PM »
try as i may, i just can't get google to give me a photo of a baby with flames coming off of it... :'(

How about this one?  Ouch! :o 


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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2006, 02:34:45 PM »
hey cb, i like babies but i can't eat a full one  :o  :D  mick.
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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2006, 03:27:20 PM »
yeah, but what about when they kill someone else - like your wife or children?
Laws themselves don't prevent that, do they?  Especially if it is just a legal fee issue where they can circumvent the restriction at will.  The insurance issue is hideous.  Insurance is denied if someone without a valid license kills or injures my wife?  Who benefits from that?

 Besides any horsepower limitation for riders of bikes doesn't cross over to autos or trucks, does it?  My wife in her car is more at risk from an SUV or high powered auto than a motorcycle.  There is a mass/velocity issue there.  Next we will be talking "special" licensing for vehicles over 2000 lbs, 3000 lbs, 4000 lbs etc. and then horspower categories as well.  Do you want your wife to require special extra license fees and testing for her SUV or Volvo, or Mustang?  But, the little GEO or other sub compact is standard licensing?  A kinetic energy tax, ugh!

Would you rather have your wife hit with a stupid SUV or Auto driver or a stupid motorcyclist?  Which do you think is more likely to injure other than the motorcyclist?

Life IS risk.  Can't be avoided.  Managing risk can be taught or learned at a very early age.  It is usually learned in concert with responsibility.  You can't legislate responsibility.  That's a parenting and societal values trait.  Legislation can only place blame and enforce penalties after the fact...  IF they catch the offending party.

 No such thing as total safety.  Even with zero freedom.  Giving up freedom for safety is a lose-lose propostion for the individual.

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« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2006, 03:38:30 PM »
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Laws themselves don't prevent that, do they?

I agree. They're intended to encourage certain behaviors. I wouldn't teach my child to swim by taking them out beyond the 12 mi. limit and shoving them off the back of the boat. Logic would suggest a few lessons in the shallow end of the pool first. If a parent were to dump their child off the back of the boat as their first swimming lesson, I think they would run afoul of a few rules.

As for the laws associated with granting licenses to new four wheel drivers, they are, in my opinion a joke regardless of the vehicle size/weight.
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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2006, 03:48:59 PM »
yeah, but what about when they kill someone else - like your wife or children?
Laws themselves don't prevent that, do they?  Especially if it is just a legal fee issue where they can circumvent the restriction at will.  The insurance issue is hideous.  Insurance is denied if someone without a valid license kills or injures my wife?  Who benefits from that?

 Besides any horsepower limitation for riders of bikes doesn't cross over to autos or trucks, does it?  My wife in her car is more at risk from an SUV or high powered auto than a motorcycle.  There is a mass/velocity issue there.  Next we will be talking "special" licensing for vehicles over 2000 lbs, 3000 lbs, 4000 lbs etc. and then horspower categories as well.  Do you want your wife to require special extra license fees and testing for her SUV or Volvo, or Mustang?  But, the little GEO or other sub compact is standard licensing?  A kinetic energy tax, ugh!

Would you rather have your wife hit with a stupid SUV or Auto driver or a stupid motorcyclist?  Which do you think is more likely to injure other than the motorcyclist?

Life IS risk.  Can't be avoided.  Managing risk can be taught or learned at a very early age.  It is usually learned in concert with responsibility.  You can't legislate responsibility.  That's a parenting and societal values trait.  Legislation can only place blame and enforce penalties after the fact...  IF they catch the offending party.

 No such thing as total safety.  Even with zero freedom.  Giving up freedom for safety is a lose-lose propostion for the individual.

Cheers,

Well, I have a couple answers from that. I'm talking just about what happens in Spain; cant talk about other countries.

In Spain, the victim gets ALWAYS paid. If your vehicle is uninsured, a public fund -made with quotes paid from all the insurance contracts- will take care of the compensation. If your vehicle is insured, but you are not the title holder -the insurance contract, not the vehicle- or you are but are DUI or your vehicle has not being inspected before the deadline, the insurance will pay the victims, but then they will claim you the money -the amount depends on the level of irresponsability and the money to be paid-. In a worst case scenario, you can end up with all your possesions seized.

That can explain why people with no resources drive their vehicles even without insurance. What's the worst thing that can happen? Driving an uninsured car is a minor offense, so only a fine will be given. Killing somebody is a serious crime, but only if you were reckless. So, you can drive your car uninsured, because as long as you are not DUI or speeding, nothing too serious can happen to you if you don't have possessions.



And regarding the prices, it's true that any heavy vehicle can cause more harm than a motorcycle. But statistics say that bikes crash more often than buses and trucks, and as companies know that insuring a bike means high chances of paying, the prices are high. In Spain there is an undesired effect that jacks up the prices: the insurance companies have agreements in such a way that each company will pay their customers regardless who was at fault -considering full coverage-. So, if you accept a bike and your customer crashes with a 10-year-old car, the other company will pay its customer the car list value -negligible- and you will face expensive medical charges.

To overcome that, a group of people -we are about 12.000 people now, with a target of 15.000- is tryng to create a "mutual". Every one will put 300 euro down to constitute the mutual funds, that will be used to cover the indemnizations. The purpose is not to sign agreements with any insurance company, going to court if it's necesary to clarify responsabilities and make culprits pay. That's based on statistics that more than 50% bike-related accidents are not because the biker's fault.

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2006, 02:29:21 AM »
A kinetic energy tax, ugh!
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We have that already.  It costs more to tax my Jag each year than my Fiesta.
Likewise, the tax on a 125 is less than a 500.

We have a round "tax disk" which must be renewed annually - same as your "tags" I guess.
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