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Offline lassenc

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Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« on: January 10, 2006, 08:50:32 AM »
This "kit" limits the power of a CB500K to 25kw/34hp



Guess a price!
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
It's like beating a dead cow, it's fun, but it doens't really get you anywhere.

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2006, 08:52:40 AM »
Out of curiosity, why?  ??? Where does it go?  ???
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2006, 08:53:22 AM »
I assume it's just a restrictor plate for the carb (do you need 4?).

They are common in UK coz of the 33bhp limit for the first two years after passing the test.

No idea of the cost, I've only ever seen bikes for sale with them fitted (the CB500 twin seems to be most common here)

 ;) No not the CB500T that we all remember and love...  :-X
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 08:54:51 AM »
Out of curiosity, why?  ??? Where does it go?  ???

The danish law demands that I ride with that thing for two years.

It limits the travel of which I can turn the throttle.

And no, I don't need four, only one. It makes the natural throttlestop shorter.
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
It's like beating a dead cow, it's fun, but it doens't really get you anywhere.

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 08:58:22 AM »
As it is a legal requirement, I guess they can charge what the hell they like - you have to buy.

Plus - in UK, you cannot fit yourself as you need a certificate from a dealer confirming that they have fitted it.

Also here it does not give cheaper insurance.  You can restrict a Fireblade, but as far as the insurance company is concerned, you have a very stealable motorcycle and they will ignore the power restriction when calculating the premium (so says Carol Nash)
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 09:36:16 AM »
As it is a legal requirement, I guess they can charge what the hell they like - you have to buy.

Plus - in UK, you cannot fit yourself as you need a certificate from a dealer confirming that they have fitted it.

Also here it does not give cheaper insurance.  You can restrict a Fireblade, but as far as the insurance company is concerned, you have a very stealable motorcycle and they will ignore the power restriction when calculating the premium (so says Carol Nash)

Excatly the same here!

_biffta_:

You have to go higher on that one!
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 09:53:29 AM »
_biffta_:

Higher...
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 10:20:36 AM »
Nah, you where pretty close before, ~213 EUR.

Just wanted to see your reaction, though I thinks it's pretty much for a bend piece o' metal...
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2006, 10:30:27 AM »
 I guess the USA isn't all bad. ;)
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2006, 10:33:39 AM »
I guess the USA isn't all bad. ;)

Sure isn't. The dream is to get to the other side of the Atlantic someday.
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2006, 10:36:27 AM »
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Nah, you where pretty close before, ~213 EUR.

Yipes!  :o :o

What do you do with it after two years? eBay it?
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2006, 10:43:45 AM »
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Nah, you where pretty close before, ~213 EUR.

Yipes!  :o :o

What do you do with it after two years? eBay it?

Nope, it's the papers that follow you pay for...

So it'll follow the bike untill it's destroyed.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2006, 11:31:33 AM »
There seem to be a good many restrictions in Europe associated with first time bikers. I'm assuming it all results in fewer accidents?  ??? ???
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2006, 01:00:25 PM »
Bob - the restrictions in UK (assume most of Europe is similar) have had the desired effect on YOUNG INEXPERIENCED bikers and have hugely reduced the death toll:

  • 12bhp / 125cc at 17
  • Compulsory basic training with 2 year expiry
  • 33bhp for the next 2 years

The problem is now with people like us who buy 150bhp bikes on a license they earned in the 70's (when the test was a joke - I know as I took mine then). The death rate amongst "born again bikers" causes the politicians to suggest all sorts of horrible stuff (like annual tests etc) for us 40-somethings...
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2006, 01:15:28 PM »
Wow, nothing here to stop someone from making their first bike a 90 HP Buell, though I wonder how often it becomes their last.
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2006, 04:21:35 PM »
Do you mean to say that a bike officially "restricted" can't ever be converted back to stock?

I guess the UK is even more adamant at avoiding taxpayer reduction than the US.  Let's see, if an 18-20year old dies that's over 50 years of future taxes at what ever rate they decide upon. Makes sense that the MC rider should pay for that privilege. ???
Sure seems like the Government is preying on a minority that hasn't enough power or fortitude as a voting block to influence policy.  Democracy at it's finest.   :'(

How much of the "restrictor" fee goes directly to the gubmint?  Is this primarily a charge to protect your life?  Or, is it really a subsidy for the repair shops and to stimulate the economy?

When the Mafia charges "Protection Fees", they call it racketeering...

Isn't it comforting to know that the monies garnered for the scheme fuel the bureaucratic machine?  Watch as, in the future, these "fees" increase... to cover their increasing expenses, of course.

Do we really want a single world government?  Even if it is the "best" one?
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2006, 09:21:05 PM »
Restrictors? I have a saying that sounds like duck gem for those with restrictors.  ;D

Restrict this .!..

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2006, 12:02:19 AM »
TwoTired:

A bike can easily be turned back in to stock with a blink of an eye, no problems there, or additional fees to be paid.

I need to have the restrictor on. Cause in case of an accident, my insurance doesn't cover anything if it isn't legal.

And it's doesn't really bother me that much either, 34hp is underestimated I think.
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
It's like beating a dead cow, it's fun, but it doens't really get you anywhere.

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2006, 01:20:35 AM »
Do you mean to say that a bike officially "restricted" can't ever be converted back to stock?

I guess the UK is even more adamant at avoiding taxpayer reduction than the US. 

The restrictors are not that expensive in the UK (Lassenc is in Holland)
I think they're only forcing what most young riders do anyway. I certainly spent two years (at least) on 125/175 bikes before buying my first 500.  It's the cost of the insurance - not the bike!

Those who choose not to insure are unlikely to comply with restriction laws either!
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2006, 02:40:41 AM »
In Spain it's the same. Actually, you can only limit the bikes that have a homologated power restrictor. Some of the are as simple as carb or throttle restrictions. The  newer ones have alternative CDI units, so you only have to replace the CDI to get the bike to full power.ç

I guess the reason for the price is not that you have to buy it want it or not. Say that I need to restrict my CB750. I know it's so simple as to limit the angle of throttle rotation. The driving license only let novel drivers to ride bikes under 25KW/34HP. If you are caught riding a bigger bike than that it's like if you are driving with no licence at all.

So, if I were a learner and want to ride my CB750, I will buy a longer bolt and replace the carb throttle stop. Cost= .5 euro. Then, I would have to take it to a homologated lab to put the bike on the dyno and get a certificate that my "custom made restrictor" is valid for CB750 and limits the power. Don't want to know how much would it cost, but how many restrictors for a CB750 would I sell? I would have to split the cost by the number of restrictors.

Then, once the restrictor is homologated and installed -either in the prototype bike or any other CB750- you have to go to an official inspection station and they will certify that your bike have that restrictor installed, and will annotate it in the bike's technical sheet. You can always remove the restrictor as you leave the station, but legally the bike is restricted. If you have a bad crash and the insurance finds out your bike was unrestricted, you are in #$%*. Needless to say, this certification also costs money.


The result? Factories are only developing restrictor kits for the newer bikes, because there are more chances to sell them than with older bikes. There is people buying restricted CBR's as first bikes; I can't understand that. Most of them offer the kits as a freebie when you buy the bike, or a jacket or similar if you don't need the kit.


Raul

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2006, 06:10:12 AM »
SteveD CB500F:

I'm in Denmark ;) Bought Harrys CB500K
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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2006, 06:25:24 AM »
It's the cost of the insurance - not the bike!


Whenever I think about all the licensing and insurance fees you guys have to contend with over there, it makes me sick to my stomach!  When I got my MC endorsement on my license back in Texas, I had to take a quick spin around the block on the bike with a state trooper watching, and then paid about $40.  Done!  Insurance for the whole year on my K1 is $80.  Done!   

I wouldn't be opposed to at least a few restrictions/requirements for new riders over here, though.  Something like giving them the choice of either taking a gov't approved MSF course or complying with size/power restrictions for the first year or so.   

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Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of danish fees!
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2006, 06:36:19 AM »
SteveD CB500F:

I'm in Denmark ;) Bought Harrys CB500K

Now I understand why we don't hear about Harry lately...


I had to "suffer" the two-years-probation on my license and I have to say that it's a good thing. When I bought my commuter 250 cc and took out of the dealer I was scared to death. Now it's a convenient commuter bike but I don't like it for road use. I've known 18-year-old people get killed for buying a crotch rocket. Too young+too much drink+hot babies around+a crotch rocket = recipe for desaster.

Some people buy bigger bikes, like CBR600 or Hornets and restrict them, so they can "unrestrict" when the time has come and keep the bike. Many of them simply remove the restrictor after leaving the inspection station; that's stupid in my opinion. Once the bike is yours, get used to it and when you feel you need more performance then you can remove the restrictor, or wait until the 2-year period is over.

I search offen for bikes like my commuter bike. It's funny because 99 % of the forum members are people like a was: car drivers that decided to put a little thrill in their lives. The questions they ask are so simple, like what kind of oil, how to lube my chain etc, but you would be surprised how many people post ads selling their bikes less than one year after the purchase, with less than 5.000 miles, because "they have outgrown the bike". You would also be surprised how many people wreck those tiny commuter bikes. That's when I knock the door, to buy cheap remains.

Even worst, the government dictated a law (I've written about it before) letting people with 3-year-experience car driving license to ride 125 cc (or smaller) bikes with no additional license. That has been terrific for the bike industry, who have boosted sales -as well as mechanics, gear shops etc- but I foresee many accidents, as they are left alone in the jungle of city traffic. What's more funny, the "toughest" new bikers are the ones who complained more when you splitted lanes when they were on a traffic jam!!!!


I also foresee the future with intelligent cars. Government is going to modify the regulations in June. All drivers will start from, say, 30 points. If you are caught speeding, you are removed 5 points. If you are caught DUI, you are removed 10 points and your licence is suspended for 30 days etc. When you run out of points you have to examine again and get another license and undergo a recycling course. Will that stop people to drive? If I'm a professional driver -cab driver- and my license is stolen, a big fine won't stop me from driving because I have to earn a living.

Intellingent cars should have a card reader. Driving licenses should be like credit cards or phone's SIM cards: when you insert it in the car, the latter contacts the DMV and check wether you are allowed to drive or not. If you are not, the car doesn't start. It could also work as a car detector that are sold today as an aftermarket device. If your car is used by more people, you -as administrator- can give the right to others to drive your car. If your license is revoked you can also drive with somebody else's license, but a fingerprint recognition device will check wether it's you or not. In case of a crash, a GPS can accurately detect each car trajectory and position, and syncronize with the world's semaphore master clock to check who run the red light...


...well, when technology is that advanced, maybe the cars can drive by themselves...



Raul



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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2006, 07:25:18 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2006, 07:34:15 AM »
Sorry, I guess it should be "hot-looking chicks around" or "hot-looking girls around"

Is it better now?