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Offline elquenada

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how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« on: February 13, 2010, 04:15:58 PM »
ive just rebuilt my motor and now ive started to dive into the electronics.  The PO did some custom wiring and I have a fuse that is blowing eradically.

The bike has a Dyna S ignition system, stock coils, and a modern regulator/rectifier device.  The bike only has one fuse.  Its a 20 amp inline fuse attached on one side to the solenoid and rectifier and on the other side to a solid red wire from the harness (ignition switch I think).  The electric starter button has been relocated to the headlight bucket and it looks to have been rigged with cheap speaker wire.  I also found some loose, unshielded bullet connectors floating around inside the headlight bucket.

Everything works fine lights , horn, etc...However the one fuse blows quite often and with no particualr pattern. The harness is also a mess; I pulled off the wrap and I intend on cleaning it up a bit.  Underneath the wrap I found some corroded wires which were simply tied together and wrapped with electrical tape.  Im thinking this may be the cause of fuse blowing problem.

Here's my question:  would you leave the harness as is and just clean up the dirty connections or would you reinstall stock wiring or atleast reinstall the missing fuses? Any other advice?  I have a good wiring diagram and Im ready to go.
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 04:23:18 PM »
20 amp fuse?  should be like a 30 amp if i'm not mistaken.
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2010, 04:24:57 PM »
maybe it should be but like I said its a "custom" wiring job. although if Im not mistaken the original main fuse was only 15 amps no?
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2010, 04:53:37 PM »
do you need a wire harness ??
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 04:57:25 PM »
i dont think I need a harness.  most of the wires are in good shape; its just that the wrap that is a mess and there are a few poorly executed splices.  I think its all repairable.

why?  do you have one you are looking to get rid of?
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2010, 05:02:11 PM »
I think it's for a  '75 k, or  k1234,  whatever the heck those things are called....would have to go looking for it though.
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2010, 10:04:36 PM »
To fix this I would first take a deep breath, get me some beer and pop tarts, and then sit down with a wiring diagram for my bike and a notebook to keep track of my progress.  It might be helpful to also get some masking tape and a sharpie so you can label the wires as you sort through them.  The most likely problem will be a positive wire hitting ground.  This might be a short from a damaged wire, an exposed connection, an incorrectly connected connection, a faulty component, or some combination of these.

Ask your self some questions:  Does the fuse instantly blow?  When does it happen?  Can you do anything w/o the fuse blowing?  Does it blow in all key positions?  If I can turn off the headlight, does it still blow?  These are all valuable clues to track down the short.  If anything works before the fuse blows I would make note of this -- those things are less likely to be the problem.

1) The way you described the problem as intermittent and seemingly random makes me lean toward a loose connection, or an exposed positive wire/connection that is contacting ground.  I would start by attacking those bullet connectors with a multimeter (or test light), and I would figure out which ones are positive, which ones are ground, and which ones are something else.  I would insulate all of them, starting with the positive ones.  I would pay close attention to the wires, and carefully look for any place where an exposed wire could touch anything. 

2) If that did not solve the problem, then I would do my best to try and isolate what is blowing the fuse.  Start by trying to figure out what some group of wires does, then disconnect them.  See if you can get down to the bare bones, and then work your way through the components: ignition system, charging system, head light, tail light, blinkers, horn... until I was done.  

3) I remember an old bike I once had that had a weird misfire that was driving me nuts.  I had the bike race tuned, then it started just running like crap.  I eventually figured out that the problem was a perfectly good looking kill switch which had a broken contact inside it.  The thing would jiggle internally with certain RPM's vibrations, micro-breaking the contacts, and "killing" the motor thousands of times a minute.  That was my mysterious misfire.  This story always reminds me that sometimes the most obvious thing might be the problem.

a PO's wacked-up custom wiring can look and feel like a real electrical system nightmare, but keep your cool, and keep reminding yourself that the bike only has a few components to the whole system.  When it all boils down to it, it is not all that hard to find any electrical problem on a bike.  I will not be surprised if you have this all sorted out by the end of the weekend.  Good luck.

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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2010, 10:23:32 PM »
My main would blow intermittently, turned out to be a bad ground...where the coils bolt to the frame under the tank. I looked forever trying to find loose connections and never did.
When I was syncing my carbs with the tank off, I saw some sparking at the coils just before it blew the fuse.

I took the coils off, cleaned up all the oxidation and paint, new bolts to hold them to the frame, and have not had one fuse blow since.

I would re-do all the connections by soldering and using heat shrink tubing, in your case too.

Good luck!
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 10:25:15 PM »
Right on, fang! (edit the the part about if it works before the fuse blows to if it still works after the fuse blows. I can tell you know what you're talking about, and I've dealt with more than one whacked-up wiring job. Nightmares...)
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 11:12:25 PM »
Wiring on the Honda motorcycles can be really interesting. The wiring harness can start with the original wires being one color and as you progress back into the harness the colors can change several times. To save money the factory would solder small lengths together, the solder connections are usually good quality. I have seen this in a NC50 & Passport & CB550. Sitting with a wiring diagram and looking at every connection is key to figuring out how it is wired. Its an interesting electrical puzzle and tag everything before you pull any of the wiring connections apart. I wish I had a bigger garage to work on another bike and dig into another Honda.
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2010, 12:58:23 AM »
If you do not restore the bike to stock wiring, no one on this forum has a wire diagram for your bike, and has no clue as to what may be wrong with your bike with any certainty whatsoever.

Right now you have a bike with custom (probably one-off) wiring, that only the person that customized it can understand.  If you need precise outside help, someone will have to make a new wire diagram for your bike or edit a stock wire diagram so that it represents how your bike is currently wired.

With the bike in hand, one can analyze each circuit for integrity, and observe the flaky bits that need to be addressed. Correct whatever looks wrong one bit at a time until it all works correctly.  The stock diagram is the guide for how it should work.  Any changes should be, at least, electrically equivalent.

FYI: The stock bike had three fuses, the main being 15 A.
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Re: how would you go about fixing this wiring? ' 75 cb 550
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2010, 04:10:58 AM »
ok. thanks for all the guidence. seems like a have quite a bit to chew over here.  I think I'll start by mapping out whats connected where and comparing that to the stock wiring diagram.  Then I'll be cleaning up the shady connections and then go from there.

now a little more info...When the bike shorts nothing works; the whole bike just goes dead as if there were suddenly no battery connected.  The fuse blows directly in the middle of the fuse and a few times the glass actually burst open.  Every time the fuse has blown its always been after only about 5 minutes of tame street riding.  I tried putting a test light across the contacts of the fuse.  With the headlight disconnected from the circuit I played with the wiring harness but to no avail. The only reaction I got was that the horn button makes the light grow brighter.

Unfortunately though this project will have to be put off until next week. Im leaving for Argentina this afternoon so I wont have time to get at it for a while.  thanks for the help.  I will post an update when i get back.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 04:17:04 AM by elquenada »
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