Topic: Titleless CL360 value?

[mgbgt89]

I have a line on a CL360, It's in very good shape, under 4000 miles. The only problem is it doesn't have a title. I know in indiana it will be a real pain to get one. The guy that has it now got it when his grandpa passed away, his grandpa got it from an old lady years ago who now is also long gone. Her husband would have been the last owner. Is it worth the hassle and expense of getting a title for this bike?

What is this thing worth? It seems like the 360's aren't worth as much as 350's.

[tbpmusic]

What is this thing worth? It seems like the 360's aren't worth as much as 350's.

They're not, and for pretty good reasons.

Indiana makes it almost impossible for an ordinary citizen to re-title, but it's up to you whether you want to pursue it.
I've had to pass on a number of untitled finds -  lengthy, futile attempts to re-title two bikes has led me to the point where I won't even consider an untitled bike, unless it's free or has parts I want.

[mgbgt89]

Anybody know how ohio is on title issues? I have cousins in ohio that i could probably title it for me, then transfer it to me.

[cb650]

What year is it?    Remember the caim chain tensioner issues.

[mgbgt89]

I want to say it's a 74.. It ran 2 years ago, but hasn't been titled or registered in over 20 years. TBP what were your methods that you used to try to get one?

[B.O.X.N.I.F.E.]

Do you need a title really? If you're looking for a bike to flip, obviously something you'd want. But if you just want to own and ride the bike some states are title exempt on antique vehicles. You could register it and insure it and ride it legally with no issues.

There's always ITS or Broadway title.

[mgbgt89]

Do you need a title really? If you're looking for a bike to flip, obviously something you'd want. But if you just want to own and ride the bike some states are title exempt on antique vehicles. You could register it and insure it and ride it legally with no issues.

There's always ITS or Broadway title.

Reselling the bike isnt a huge concern for me. I'd much rather just have it to ride. I don't think indiana is a state where you can do much of anything without a title. I pretty much have to go through ITS, so i'm trying to figure out if the bike is going to be worth the 250 bucks on top of the purchase price to be able to ride it legally.

[chickenman_26]

so i'm trying to figure out if the bike is going to be worth the 250 bucks on top of the purchase price to be able to ride it legally.

If experience is a teacher, I think you're going to find that $250 for titling will be the first in a long line of expenses before you can ride that 36 year old bike, legally or otherwise. Bill hinted at reasons why they're not worth much. They're arguably the least reliable bikes Honda produced in the past 50 years. And the idea that it ran 2 years ago (how long, and how well?) is no indication that you could just pour gas in it and ride. Two new tires, battery, chain, sprockets, carb parts...you're looking at $500 right there. And what if the infamous tensioner issues exist? If you want a bike to keep and ride, this one is likely to not suit your needs. Not even if they give it to you for free.

Stu

[TomC]

Hi Mgbgt89
     Ohio is not going to be a help!
          TomC in Ohio

Anybody know how ohio is on title issues? I have cousins in ohio that i could probably title it for me, then transfer it to me.

[mgbgt89]

Hi Mgbgt89
     Ohio is not going to be a help!
          TomC in Ohio

Anybody know how ohio is on title issues? I have cousins in ohio that i could probably title it for me, then transfer it to me.

Thank you!

[mgbgt89]

Could someone elaborate on the cam chain tensioner issue? I have a 650, so i know all about noisy cam chains. Is this something that can distroy cases, etc? The bike is such low mileage that i wouldnt think too much damage could have happened. Then again, I don't know the specifics of these problems.

I've brought much worse looking bikes back from the dead... I don't want to see this one sit or be parted out.

[tbpmusic]

Could someone elaborate on the cam chain tensioner issue? I have a 650, so i know all about noisy cam chains. Is this something that can distroy cases, etc? The bike is such low mileage that i wouldnt think too much damage could have happened. Then again, I don't know the specifics of these problems.

There is much discussion of this at the following link, as well as copies of the Honda Service Bulletins -

http://www.hondatwins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1836

First step for me in Indiana was to pay the fee and have the state do a search on the VIN - they found no record, so I payed the fees in a number of other states. No one had ever heard of the bike, even though it had an old Indiana plate on it when it was given to me. End of the road for that bike.
If they get a listing for last known owner, you have to find them. If they're dead, you're obviously screwed.
And then it starts getting worse, so.....
There is a provision for a salvage title, but you have to be a legitimate salvage business.

I've heard it's pretty easy to do in Michigan ??

[Green550F]

In WI the loss of the mfg plate on the frame has forced me to re-title as a home built!
It's so stupid. All the vin #s are there proving it was a honda 350 scrambler. and they fit the year so it's not a collection of bikes... but you can't change the mind of a DOT bureaucrat!

it's ironic that they'd have less trouble with an unsafe bike that started with a titled frame but a little 350 built well is a nightmare.

[78whiteorbs]

Will they not let you get a bonded title in Indiana? 

[mgbgt89]

Will they not let you get a bonded title in Indiana? 

I don't think so. I've been researching online about that and can't find an answer on indiana. From what i've read indiana is one of the worst states when it comes to lost titles.

[tbpmusic]

Will they not let you get a bonded title in Indiana?  

I don't think so. I've been researching online about that and can't find an answer on indiana. From what i've read indiana is one of the worst states when it comes to lost titles.

It is that - but there are worse states, just ask someone from Kalifornia..........

The Hoosier bureaucracy's view is that statements from one state or the other (or several) is not preemptive proof that the bike is not stolen or otherwise encumbered somewhere else.
Since there is no national mechanism to manage this sort of data, the states do as they see fit in this context.
The only real proof (to Indiana DMV) is a properly signed-over title from the PO. If you can't produce one, your chances of ever getting a title for the bike are slim at best.

[mgbgt89]

Will they not let you get a bonded title in Indiana? 

I don't think so. I've been researching online about that and can't find an answer on indiana. From what i've read indiana is one of the worst states when it comes to lost titles.

It is that - but there are worse states, just ask someone from Kalifornia..........

The Hoosier bureaucracy's view is that statements from one state or the other (or several) is not presumptive proof that the bike is not stolen or otherwise encumbered somewhere else.
Since there is no national mechanism to manage this sort of data, the states do as they see fit in this context.
The only real proof (to Indiana DMV) is a properly signed-over title from the PO. If you can't produce one, your chances of ever getting a title for the bike are slim at best.

Oh god.. I don't even want to think about those poor souls that live in california.

Does going through a company like ITS work in indiana? People on a local forum have had luck with newer cars, but i know our bikes were not standardized vin numbers. I think i'm going to steer away from this bike, I just want to know for future reference.

[westondc]

a friend of mine just bought a 74 CL360 at auction for $400 w/o a title and he claims he got a good deal. the bike is in need of some serious work to get it running, which i agreed to help with. the 350's are rock solid but i don't know about the 360's and i'm wondering if all the work is going to be worth it.  and i don't know how he plans to ride it in Nebraska without a title???

[jamesb]

have you tried researching different ways to title it like a storage lein, abandonment title, mechanics lein, or a antique title. here in kansas the antique title is the easy way to go if it is 35yrs or older. then storage lien, i'm doing to storage liens now on some bikes. you have to do a lot of leg work but sometimes it's worth it.

[westondc]

have you tried researching different ways to title it like a storage lein, abandonment title, mechanics lein, or a antique title. here in kansas the antique title is the easy way to go if it is 35yrs or older. then storage lien, i'm doing to storage liens now on some bikes. you have to do a lot of leg work but sometimes it's worth it.

from the Dept. Revenue Kansas

"For antique vehicles having a model year of 1950 or after purchased on a bill of sale (from a Kansas or out of state seller) or on an out of state title, an inspection in accordance with subsection (a) of K.S.A. 8-116, and amendments thereto, must be completed and an MVE-1 issued. Use the link to KHP above to contact the Highway Patrol concerning locations of inspection stations and hours of operation.

All vehicles, including antique vehicles regardless of the model year, purchased outside the State of Kansas must obtain an inspection in accordance with subsection (a) of K.S.A. 8-116 and amendments thereto and be issued an MVE-1.

Take the assigned title or bill of sale, the inspection receipt (pink copy of the MVE-1) if applicable, and proof of insurance, if also applying for registration, to your local county treasurer’s motor vehicle office to make application for an antique title and registration. If the vehicle is not roadworthy at the time of application, the owner may apply for an antique title only. Once the vehicle is restored/made roadworthy, return to the treasurer’s office and apply for antique registration only."

so if you knew someone in KS to "buy" your bike and title it in KS, technically you could "buy" it back from them with a KS antique title, correct? now would other states consider the antique title valid in their state? seems this would be cheaper than going through the ITS titling. i guess the other problem would be that the person getting the title for you would have to insure the bike in order to get the new title. now why dont they just allow the antique titling in every state... well i work at the NE state capitol building, wheres my senator?!

[tbpmusic]

Does going through a company like ITS work in indiana?

Don't know, sorry...........

Better do some research before forking over your cash to those companies.

[mgbgt89]

have you tried researching different ways to title it like a storage lein, abandonment title, mechanics lein, or a antique title. here in kansas the antique title is the easy way to go if it is 35yrs or older. then storage lien, i'm doing to storage liens now on some bikes. you have to do a lot of leg work but sometimes it's worth it.

from the Dept. Revenue Kansas

"For antique vehicles having a model year of 1950 or after purchased on a bill of sale (from a Kansas or out of state seller) or on an out of state title, an inspection in accordance with subsection (a) of K.S.A. 8-116, and amendments thereto, must be completed and an MVE-1 issued. Use the link to KHP above to contact the Highway Patrol concerning locations of inspection stations and hours of operation.

All vehicles, including antique vehicles regardless of the model year, purchased outside the State of Kansas must obtain an inspection in accordance with subsection (a) of K.S.A. 8-116 and amendments thereto and be issued an MVE-1.

Take the assigned title or bill of sale, the inspection receipt (pink copy of the MVE-1) if applicable, and proof of insurance, if also applying for registration, to your local county treasurer’s motor vehicle office to make application for an antique title and registration. If the vehicle is not roadworthy at the time of application, the owner may apply for an antique title only. Once the vehicle is restored/made roadworthy, return to the treasurer’s office and apply for antique registration only."

so if you knew someone in KS to "buy" your bike and title it in KS, technically you could "buy" it back from them with a KS antique title, correct? now would other states consider the antique title valid in their state? seems this would be cheaper than going through the ITS titling. i guess the other problem would be that the person getting the title for you would have to insure the bike in order to get the new title. now why dont they just allow the antique titling in every state... well i work at the NE state capitol building, wheres my senator?!

Sadly I don't know anyone in kansas. I have relatives in ohio, kentucky and maryland. I'm going to try and see which of the three is going to be easiest. Without knowing anything at all about the title laws of these states, My gut is telling me that the great state of kentucky is my best bet.

[mgbgt89]

Woo hoo.. Easiest is a kentucky salvage title. All i need is pencil tracings of the vin plates and a notarized statement from the seller. No title needed.

Off to google to see if i can do any better.

[westondc]

Woo hoo.. Easiest is a kentucky salvage title. All i need is pencil tracings of the vin plates and a notarized statement from the seller. No title needed.

Off to google to see if i can do any better.

do you know if you can get the Kentucky salvage title if you are living in another state or do you have to have someone that lives in Kentucky get it for you?

[mgbgt89]

Woo hoo.. Easiest is a kentucky salvage title. All i need is pencil tracings of the vin plates and a notarized statement from the seller. No title needed.

Off to google to see if i can do any better.

do you know if you can get the Kentucky salvage title if you are living in another state or do you have to have someone that lives in Kentucky get it for you?

Hmm.. thats a good question. I just assumed you had to be a kentucky resident. I've got a cousin in kentucky so it wouldn't matter either way to me.