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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 02:39:23 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're CB77 nameplates.
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 02:41:57 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're CB77 nameplates.



  That's just it Uncle, they don't go anywhere on a Cb77. They were in a box of CB77 parts that this seller got, BUT they aren't FOR a CB77 (He didn't know that and I'm trying to see if I can help him find out what they ARE. ;)
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 03:30:43 PM »
I'd need to see the bottoms, but my guess it much newer, matching hydraulic clutch and brake reservoir covers.   And probably aftermarket, as Honda always had fluid type info and the like embossed on them.
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 03:33:41 PM »
They almost certainly belong to a CA77 (Dream).  The go on each side of the rear shock mounts.
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 03:47:45 PM »
I'd need to see the bottoms, but my guess it much newer, matching hydraulic clutch and brake reservoir covers.   And probably aftermarket, as Honda always had fluid type info and the like embossed on them.

           I don't know, just trying to help the seller. Myself, I don't even know what bikes would have both hydraulic setups.
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 03:50:33 PM »
They almost certainly belong to a CA77 (Dream).  The go on each side of the rear shock mounts.

        I know what the CA77 is, but I can't see from this page I have posted, as to where they would go. Am I overlooking something?

       
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 03:52:06 PM »
Sometime in the late 80s, the larger Honda's had hydraulic clutches.  The V65s and Wings
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 03:59:33 PM »
Sometime in the late 80s, the larger Honda's had hydraulic clutches.  The V65s and Wings

           They DO look the part. :)
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 04:36:04 PM »
I'm with El Cazador. Here's a pic of a CA95. They're the blocking plates for where the rear signals would go.

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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 05:34:06 PM »
I'm with El Cazador. Here's a pic of a CA95. They're the blocking plates for where the rear signals would go.



       So, I'm guessing that they were able to be used on all the Dreams?
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 08:11:48 PM »
On the little Hondas in the early 1960s, the turn signals were an option. My Superhawk did not have them, nor mounts: the Honda ones replaced the headlight shell bolts up front and attached to the shock mounts at the rear with a U-shaped bracket (and the flasher went inside the headlight, with the switch mounted on the side of the headlight shell!). Aftermarket ones were cheaper to purchase, so Honda's often languished on the shelf. The electrical systems could not support them at all in city traffic.

Beginning with the 450, then later on the 350, the turn signals became standard equipment. The Japanese import bikes (350/450) I saw in those days (from returning Vietnam Servicemen) had different headlight mounting ears (without the turn signal holes) up front and the rear mounting holes in the frames had little plastic plugs or chromed bolts in them. And, the instruments were hard to understand!

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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 06:33:57 AM »
The very first Hondas to arrive in the US in 1959 had turn signals included, but shortly after the DOT ruled that they were unacceptable on motorcycles.  This restriction was because they were thought to be too small and close together so-as to be confusing to other motorists when used.  (After all, turn signals were quite new even on automobiles at that time.)  It wasn't until the late 1960's that this DOT restriction was lifted.

With the restriction on turn signals in affect, the US models were available from Honda in the American market only, with a designation containing "A" (e.g. CA77).  Elsewhere (e.g. here in Canada, eh)  those same models were provided with turn signals  and the model designation didn't have the "A" (e.g. C77).  This distinction applied to other models as well - the C92, C95, C100 all came with turn signals whereas in the US they were known as CA92, CA95, and CA100 and there they didn't have signals.  The CB72/77 was a special sports model that rarely came with signals; however, some did and had higher bars as well when they were mounted.  (I believe those CB72/77's were known as CBM72/77's and were mainly available in Japan early on.)  the CB125/160 (very similar in styling to the CB72/77 never came with turn signals, as far as I know.

Those "nameplates" posted at the start of this thread, look very much like what I would imagine (never having seen an American version) were the plates that went on the rear shock/fender plates where the turn signals were mounted on non-American CA77 and CA95 models.  On the C100 model, the rear signals mounted directly onto a hole in the rear fender, which on the CA100 version was plugged with a plain painted cover, instead of a more fancy aluminum casting with the Honda name on it.

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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2010, 09:11:38 AM »
The very first Hondas to arrive in the US in 1959 had turn signals included, but shortly after the DOT ruled that they were unacceptable on motorcycles.  This restriction was because they were thought to be too small and close together so-as to be confusing to other motorists when used.  (After all, turn signals were quite new even on automobiles at that time.)  It wasn't until the late 1960's that this DOT restriction was lifted.

With the restriction on turn signals in affect, the US models were available from Honda in the American market only, with a designation containing "A" (e.g. CA77).  Elsewhere (e.g. here in Canada, eh)  those same models were provided with turn signals  and the model designation didn't have the "A" (e.g. C77).  This distinction applied to other models as well - the C92, C95, C100 all came with turn signals whereas in the US they were known as CA92, CA95, and CA100 and there they didn't have signals.  The CB72/77 was a special sports model that rarely came with signals; however, some did and had higher bars as well when they were mounted.  (I believe those CB72/77's were known as CBM72/77's and were mainly available in Japan early on.)  the CB125/160 (very similar in styling to the CB72/77 never came with turn signals, as far as I know.

Those "nameplates" posted at the start of this thread, look very much like what I would imagine (never having seen an American version) were the plates that went on the rear shock/fender plates where the turn signals were mounted on non-American CA77 and CA95 models.  On the C100 model, the rear signals mounted directly onto a hole in the rear fender, which on the CA100 version was plugged with a plain painted cover, instead of a more fancy aluminum casting with the Honda name on it.

Cool info, HondaNut! I saw some of the 1960s Hondas with those taller handlebars that had turn signals simply clamped (with a U-shaped bracket) onto the lower part of the bars: were those Honda's signals, too? The wiring was simply out in the open in grey jacketing, went down into the headlight opening at the rear of the bucket. I thought them odd as the wiring was so exposed. These were little 90s and 100cc bikes that came through our shop from time to time, frames dated 1964 through 1967.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »
Heres a closeup of Jonesys CA95.... He says the PO drilled the plate to install turn signals  ::)

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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 12:10:53 PM »



 Hey thanks guys, lots of cool info here and I, for one, have had quite a learning experience here. The CB72 I bought while in Japan in 67-69 was a 66' model and had the high bars along with the turn signals, a combination that HondanutRider talked about. So, maybe MY Honda was indeed a CBM72?
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 02:15:51 PM »
Cool info, HondaNut! I saw some of the 1960s Hondas with those taller handlebars that had turn signals simply clamped (with a U-shaped bracket) onto the lower part of the bars: were those Honda's signals, too? The wiring was simply out in the open in grey jacketing, went down into the headlight opening at the rear of the bucket. I thought them odd as the wiring was so exposed. These were little 90s and 100cc bikes that came through our shop from time to time, frames dated 1964 through 1967.
The front lamps often were mounted on the handlebars with an integral bracket.  (See the picture of my C95 Benley that is included here.)  However, the ones I have and have seen all had the wiring routed through the bars and then pulled out the centre to be connected inside the headlamp.  The switches also were on the handlebar (the left usually) and their wires also routed through the bars to the headlamp shell.

One of the models that didn't have that type of front lamps was the S65.  (See other picture.)  It has rather small (and cute) lamps mounted on the forks, sort-of an early style of mount to those on SOHC-4's.  The rear ones are also similarly delicate and are mounted off the rear fender.  The US version of this model didn't have any signals.
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 06:54:57 PM »



 Hey thanks guys, lots of cool info here and I, for one, have had quite a learning experience here. The CB72 I bought while in Japan in 67-69 was a 66' model and had the high bars along with the turn signals, a combination that HondanutRider talked about. So, maybe MY Honda was indeed a CBM72?

Bill, for your interest here's a picture off a Japanese collector's postcard of what is labeled a 1961 CBM72.  You can see the raised bars and the turn signals on it. 

My parts manual shows two different styles of turn signals for the CB72/77 that were apparently available for the German market.  Neither of these look like what is shown in this picture.  Also of note is that the parts manual I have only shows flat bars as being available - including on the German version with the turn signals.  However, I know the high bars were used - mine had them and I even got a replacement set from Honda back in the 60's or 70's.  Today you can buy either low-bar or high-bar cables for this bike - the latter being longer of course.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 07:44:34 PM »



 Hey thanks guys, lots of cool info here and I, for one, have had quite a learning experience here. The CB72 I bought while in Japan in 67-69 was a 66' model and had the high bars along with the turn signals, a combination that HondanutRider talked about. So, maybe MY Honda was indeed a CBM72?

Bill, for your interest here's a picture off a Japanese collector's postcard of what is labeled a 1961 CBM72.  You can see the raised bars and the turn signals on it. 

My parts manual shows two different styles of turn signals for the CB72/77 that were apparently available for the German market.  Neither of these look like what is shown in this picture.  Also of note is that the parts manual I have only shows flat bars as being available - including on the German version with the turn signals.  However, I know the high bars were used - mine had them and I even got a replacement set from Honda back in the 60's or 70's.  Today you can buy either low-bar or high-bar cables for this bike - the latter being longer of course.

     Thanks for posting, you can't really tell from this photo (only one I have handy), but here's my CBM72 (only, til now, I thought it was just a CB72, as I was never informed any different and I bought it while at Misawa AFB in Japan)

           
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Re: Anyone Have A Clue What This Is?
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2010, 04:59:11 AM »
Bill, the picture of your bike sure looks a lot like the so-called CBM72 model of which I posted a picture...except your picture has a cool dude on it. ;D ;D ;D

While you can't really see the rear turn lamp as its obscured by your leg, I assume the lens was similar to the front and mounted just above the rear shock upper mount.  Was the flasher switch on the left side with a control similar to the headlight dimmer that was on the right side?  (Probably hard to remember details like that, but that would be my assumption.)  It also would be interesting to know what type of VIN/engine serials were used - did they start CBM72 or just the same as others with CB72?

I think you should have posted your picture first instead of that set of emblems - the same subject for the topic, except changing the "What" to "What & Who". :D :D :D