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Offline strawhouse

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Is it my carbs?
« on: February 25, 2010, 02:12:52 PM »
At the end of last summer my 78 750F started to have some problems.  It was really hard to keep an idle until it was warm or the idle would rev up to 3-4000 rpm and stay there.  In both cases the choke always needs to be on.  I also started to really notice the top end speed disapearing, by that I mean around 115-120kms/hr there wasnt more acceleration even if I floored it.  If I went for a ride (30 mins ) or so and stopped for a bit ( 10  mins) or so, I have to use the choke to start it again even though the engine is still quite hot.  The major thing about these problems is that it wasnt like this the whole summer, it was great in the early part of the year.   So im going to do a few things to the bike and I would love to know if anyone thinks Im missing something that might be causing this.
-new points and condensors
-check timing
-Dismantle and clean the carbs
-syncro the carbs
-New choke cable / adjust
-New spark plugs
-Adjust the valves
-check compression
The exhaust I have on the bike has no baffle ( its a stock exhaust 4-1 ) Should I change the size of the main jets?  They jets that are there are stock.


I know its alot to think over but let me know!

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Re: Is it my carbs?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2010, 02:26:34 PM »
just put on a new points plate first--I bet that fixes it
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Re: Is it my carbs?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 02:34:59 PM »
Did it still have problems after having the routine 3000 mile, 3/month tune up was completed?
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Re: Is it my carbs?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 03:08:05 PM »
Ive only had the bike for about a year, when I go the bike the guy who I got it from ( a good friend and a honda nut ) did everything to the bike and at that point it ran excellent.  But also at that point it had a baffle in the exhaust.   As far as what I have done to it in the time that I have been running it ( 2000 km's )
new plugs
new air filter
oil changes
new chain
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Re: Is it my carbs?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 03:39:33 PM »
Did you get the owners manual?
There is a routine maintenance schedule/list in there.

Sounds like you need to check points and timing.

For me, if I don't know what parts of the tune up has been completed or when, it is due now.  And, it is certainly the first thing to be done whenever the bike begins to run poorly.

The order of parts replacement is important, too.  If the plugs were fouling, then replaced, and later the air filter was replaced.  It may have been the filter fouling plugs, which were sooted up by the dirty air filter.

Having said all that, the voice of doom says that this model of bike often had valve guide wear issues.  I would probably put the compression test first on the list.  If the compression is bad, tuning ain't gonna fix it!

FYI, taking out the baffle likely requires a change in main jet size, to compensate for the increased noise the bike makes.  In essence, you took power away from the engine with that change.  You may also need to change the slide needle position.  A new filter with less restriction would have made the bike even leaner.
Time to learn to read spark plug deposits and how the carbs make the proper air/fuel ratio.
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Re: Is it my carbs?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 03:43:13 PM »
If the only change you made since it ran great was removing the exhaust baffle, put the baffle back in and it will probably run great again.  Either that or go through the whole process of adjusting and rejetting the carbs for that change just to hopefully get it running as well as it did before. 

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Re: Is it my carbs?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 04:15:29 PM »
I had to take the baffle out because it was destroyed and parts of it were rusted completely out.  The removal of the baffle was not by choice, I would like to get a new exhaust but I dont want to put a mac on.  As far as changing the various items that I listed above it wasnt because I was having problems at that point with the bike.  It was just for the enjoyment of working on the bike.  I do understand and recognize the symptoms that spark plugs show and the steps needed to diagnose.  I was posting this question so when I go out into the shop and uncover the bike from its winter slumber I would have other points of view on the problem other than my own idea and what it might be!  So as far as the jet size?  If I am going to get into the carbs what would you guys recommend?
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