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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2010, 03:27:31 PM »


Now here's a statement that will cause a stir here....unless the oil cooler is of significant size (say like in air/oil early GSXR's), I just dont believe its going to do something REALLY meaningfull to the temperature of the oil that reaches the bearings.... The main oil gallery is burning hot at race temp. I am prety positive that the oil that goes back in it will pick up most of the heat back in no time. not to talk about the oil that slowly trickles up to the cams that has plenty of time to boil  :)

In other words, I am sure that even in a small oil cooler there will be some small temp drop between the inlet and exit pipes, but I still think the oil will pick up again that heat in the galleries




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i don't think i wrote the temps down anywhere, but my 718 was damn close to overheating before installing the cooler, and a saw a significant drop in actual oil temperature after adding it.
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2010, 03:41:37 PM »
Mine dropped the temps after a hard run from 112 C to a managable 90 C.

If that helps.

Measured before and after in the tank....with a calibrated J type thermocouple.
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2010, 05:58:24 PM »
 Daytona has a nice digital oil temp gauge that allows for real time info. i have them on 2 of my bikes. Easy to install too. Boy there was a big debate on oil coolers about 2 years ago or so. I've got my opinion but I'll stay out of it. Dry sump systems rule. ;)
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2010, 06:23:32 PM »
Sorry for the hijack but would an alloy block with nikasil bores dissipate heat better than an alloy block with sleeves.?

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 06:28:16 PM »
Sorry for the hijack but would an alloy block with nikasil bores dissipate heat better than an alloy block with sleeves.?

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2010, 06:32:57 PM »
Sorry for the hijack but would an alloy block with nikasil bores dissipate heat better than an alloy block with sleeves.?

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2010, 12:12:00 AM »
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2010, 12:00:04 PM »
The cylinder on the Team Hansen bike is a oil filter.

Pic of a newer unit that I make, this is a proto one that I was test fitting. He uses these for easy access due to the header pipes being in the way for the stock filter.

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2010, 03:15:19 AM »
The cylinder on the Team Hansen bike is a oil filter.

Pic of a newer unit that I make, this is a proto one that I was test fitting. He uses these for easy access due to the header pipes being in the way for the stock filter.

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Nice, and what filter element are you using?

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2010, 12:44:53 PM »
WOW! Im flat blown away by all of the great information I have read so far!
I am also interested in what filter element your using in the filter

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2010, 03:23:37 PM »
I've been using Triumph Trident oil coolers on my 750s since the early 70s. They made a real difference in temperature and were easy to mount because of their adjustable brackets. I'll have a full race 836cc running shortly and will make a comparison with and without the cooler. Excuse the clutter in the second photo


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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2010, 03:45:00 PM »
Second photo
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2010, 06:24:22 AM »
is that a magneto on the right in the 2nd pic???  nice!

have any of the coolers you're willing to sell
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2010, 07:42:38 AM »
Wanna,

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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2010, 07:53:45 AM »
Wanna,

  What you're looking at is a brand new ARD housing and boost advanced turbo distributor. I need a shaft machined to attach the distributor to the to the cogged pulley in the housing and it'll be good to go.

                                                                                           
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2010, 08:11:26 AM »
another photo


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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2010, 08:25:45 AM »
brand new as in NEW, or is it a never been used old piece?  it looks pretty new to me!  looks pretty awesome!  now go get you a turbo and throw all this on the bike!!!!

you have a PM as well
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2010, 10:01:18 AM »
Boy there was a big debate on oil coolers about 2 years ago or so. I've got my opinion but I'll stay out of it. Dry sump systems rule. ;)

I just gotta know - what kind of numbers did the data present?
Can we even dissipate ENOUGH heat to make a meaningful difference?

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It make more sense to cool the oil prior to it's return to the tank.
For any given air flow, the greatest amount of BTUs removable from the cooler will be when the temperature difference (air temp vs. oil temp) is the greatest. Since the hotest oil should be found at the scavage pump discharge (after it has absorbed the engines heat), running it from HERE through the cooler would be most efficient...


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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2010, 10:34:28 AM »
well then, if you can devise a simple and leak proof way to get the oil from here, to an effective heat exchanger, then by all means do it!  i think this common form of heat exchanging is done because it is relatively inexpensive, effective and easy to install (i'm talking the typical spin on adapter plate for the 750's).  depending on how hot the oil is, a simple cooler like these will do a good job.  i've seen much bigger ones out there, and they do work well, hell they even have a puller fan on the back!  but the problem is first, for me at least, aesthetics.  a big honkin effective cooler will work great, but look bad!  2nd is performance in my location.  for a street ride, in the dallas metroplex, any amount of cooling i can gain is desired.  add to this, increased capacity, and you have an overall reduction in BTU's because there's MORE oil to wick heat away, and there's an air-oil exchange which does do it's job.  It simply HAS to based on thermodynamics...  so since i trust physical laws, i trust an oil cooler will make a difference.  throw in the fact that Honda used them on their factory race bikes, and TONS of other racers use them on their classic racers, i'm sold!
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2010, 11:18:29 AM »
 How New? Pretty New!


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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2010, 11:20:39 AM »
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2010, 11:44:10 AM »
you LCUKY SoB!!!  i'll trade you my first born for that!!!  haha
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2010, 01:14:24 PM »
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2010, 02:21:14 PM »
Thank you very much. I built my first turbo in 1976. Stock motor with turbo only 11.79@ 121mph. Never got over the rush. Oil we used was aarco graphite. Took weeks to get out of you hands.
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Re: Oil Cooling!
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2010, 11:39:53 PM »
Waller, one of my setups for$100 USD plus your cooler plus we pay our own shipping.
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