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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2010, 09:52:36 PM »
The stock gearing on the 550 was good when the rear tire was the stock 3.75x18 size. The more commonly fitted 110/90x18 today is taller, and the often-accidentally fitted 120/90x18 makes the bike WAY overgeared and real doggy, not to mention it is 35% heavier than the OEM tire.

The difference in sprocket life between steel and aluminum, with equal amounts of lube, is dramatic. The steel ones can easily exceed 30000 mile life on a 500/550 if flipped every 5000 miles and lubed every 1000 miles, and cleaned regularly. The aluminum rears will yield less than half that many miles, typically, and the aluminum fronts will struggle to make 5000 miles before the splines wear quite a bit, lube or not.

Aluminum got popular when they were cheaper than steel: they weigh a little less (about 60% of the steel ones) and are popular on race bikes for that reason. On road bikes that tour, in particular, the aluminum powder grindings will fill in the gap between the chain's rollers and sideplates and will jam the rollers: on O-ring chains the powder will slowly eat the O-rings. Frequent washing can mitigate this issue: it's just a little more maintenance.

When the chain alternates between tight and loose on the sprockets, it is more often the chain being irregularly worn than the sprockets. If an oval sprocket does this, the chain will tighten-loosen twice for one revolution of the rear wheel: if it takes more than that much wheel turn to tighten-loosen, then the chain is uneven.  ;)

Check the Thoughts of Hondaman FAQ :) for more info on gearing the 500/550 bikes.
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 09:53:03 PM »
 Do you have a relative named Eldar, by chance... Huh


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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2010, 09:55:25 PM »
The reason I asked about the sprocket..

 Chains mostly wear unevenly, specially if you do many burnouts.. So there is a pretty good chance your sprocket is still true.. maybe even useable..


  Often you will go thru several fronts (and chains) before you wear out a rear..

 dont toss it yet.........

 Aluminum is lighter than 60% of the weight.. more like around 35 %
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 01:58:17 AM »
I can buy 2 steel sprockets plus a chain for the cost of one aluminum sprocket from Sprocket Specialists.

Man that must be some cheap crap chain you're looking at then. I only use aluminium sprockets, usually Renthal, and they are top quality but a third of the cost of the chain. There seems to be two variables here - light and lowest cost!
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2010, 05:40:55 AM »
Chain goes tight and then loose?  Sounds like a worn chain.  Check some more, sprockets do not wear egg shaped.  I have heard that they could come from manufacturing errors.
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2010, 07:36:05 AM »
It is a Tsubaki chain. Tried a search and some members here really liked that brand.

It is a non O-Ring solid roller chain. If I were racing it or planning a trip across the USA, I would consider a $200.00 chain. For around town and to and from work a couple times a week, I feel this chain would be just fine.


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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2010, 09:21:33 AM »
I run Tsubaki 530 QR, its a non O-ring.. maybe what you got.
 If you take care of it , should easily get 15K or more of combined town and highway.
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2010, 10:27:38 AM »
That is the exact chain I was planning on ordering. From my research here, O-Ring chains are too wide and we wear the block down.

I assume just about anything out there is the same, if not better than OEM.


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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2010, 10:53:03 AM »
Well that explains it - I keep forgetting standard is a 530 chain and I've gone to 520 so o-ring or even x-ring is no problem. DOH!  ???
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2010, 04:41:23 PM »
Dave500 just let me know about a place in Brisbane that laser cuts its aluminum sprockets , they use some special alloy and they are supposed to outlast steel sprockets by quite a bit and make chains last a lot longer because the laser cut is a lot more accurate than conventional methods, i will be looking into these for my bike..

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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2010, 07:16:28 AM »
Dave500 just let me know about a place in Brisbane that laser cuts its aluminum sprockets , they use some special alloy and they are supposed to outlast steel sprockets by quite a bit and make chains last a lot longer because the laser cut is a lot more accurate than conventional methods, i will be looking into these for my bike..

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I'd like to hear how those come out, Mick.
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Re: Aluminum Rear Sprocket
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2010, 04:30:47 PM »
I got it slightly wrong, they are made of high carbon steel.....Have a look .. ;)

http://www.chaingang.com.au/sprockets.php

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