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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2010, 04:47:03 PM »
grnrngr made me remember the duck and cover business, pretty lame when you think about it. Lots of discussion of home built bomb shelters. I even recall my father pondering if we should have one. Never came to pass though.
I lived in an apartment in the Bronx, so every other building had a Fallout Shelter. In fact I still see the signs on buildings in rundown neighborhoods.

In my current Town every once in a while there is a story about someone having a sinkhole in their yard from a shelter that collapses. Nobody knows how many are out there. My old man worked on the Manhattan Project so he had a special paranoia about the Bomb. Some asked me not too long ago where I wanna be if someone dropped an A Bomb on us. I said directly under it.

If it was not for Sputnik the US Space program would have been a long time coming. That would be how Sputnik really changed the World. In 1958 the U.S. sent up the Explorer 1 which discovered the Van Allen Belt.  The race for Space was on.  
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2010, 05:54:19 PM »
I remember the news that it was launched.  I was 13, and totally amazed.  I went to a play at Starlight Theater in Kansas City with my folks (it's an outdoor theater), they timed intermission with Sputnik's pass overhead.  It marked the beginning of an exponentially changing world.
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2010, 08:27:20 PM »
Funny, I was just at the library reading a book about sputnik and its effects on society yesterday.

Although there was a lot of myths and paranoia about sputnik, apparently there is a confirmed account of a man whose automatic garage door kept opening and closing every time sputnik flew overhead :D
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2010, 11:11:52 PM »
I remember Sputnik, we used to watch it cross the sky, but THE ARMS RACE, COLD WAR, DUCK AND DIVE ??? ??? we had enough ducking and diving in the 40s, nobody gave a fcuk about this new one. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A lot of old space debris if still up there, there are sites that give all the info on it and you can watch it cross the sky most nights. 8)

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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2010, 11:22:54 PM »
it sounds like that was an amazing time to grow up during, unfortunately one of the most vivid memories for me was watching challenger explode. in 1957 my parents hadnt even met yet  :)
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2010, 06:56:47 AM »
Funny, I was just at the library reading a book about sputnik and its effects on society yesterday.

Although there was a lot of myths and paranoia about sputnik, apparently there is a confirmed account of a man whose automatic garage door kept opening and closing every time sputnik flew overhead :D

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.20.html#subj14

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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2010, 06:57:29 AM »
it sounds like that was an amazing time to grow up during, unfortunately one of the most vivid memories for me was watching challenger explode. in 1957 my parents hadnt even met yet  :)
No actually it sucked. They have shown our generation was somewhat scarred from growing up with that undercurrent of paranoia. During the Cuban Missile crisis my old man went into my Uncle's Bar and drank himself silly. We had to walk home since he was 3 sheets to the wind. Never saw him have a drink before or after that.

During WWII and before the US was largely immune from attack. The Brits took a nightly pounding and the US factories kept humming a full speed like nothing was happening.

Now with long range Missiles and Bombers the US was not safe from attack. Not a good feeling.

On one hand you are told you live in the most powerful Nation the World has known, on the other hand you can be wiped out in a few minutes. Kinda odd feeling.    
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2010, 07:39:25 AM »
Being born in '76 I obviously wasn't around for Sputnik, but my Dad says they used to use a radio to listen for the beep as it went over.
The closest brush i had with spacemen was meeting Scott Crossfield in the '80's.  He was one of the X-15 test pilots.  I remember him saying that when his plane was dropped from the B-52 there were a couple seconds of peaceful silence before the rockets kicked in and "all hell broke loose" shoving him up past Mach 2!
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2010, 09:14:01 AM »
Bobby I was "in" during the Cuban missile crisis and it was interesting it was the first time they issued us with weapons, no ammunition or bayonets and we would do our thing on the flight line and come back to the hangar and check on the state of the alert while signing off inspections, and I remember some idiot or idiots down in the states started popping of Microwave Towers and the alert status changed up (don't ever remember whether they got caught or what, I know the airmen of RCAF station Comox were collectively hoping that the book was thrown at them) any how Twitch, TWITCH, Twitch, twitch, :o, Oh and the reason for no ammo was apparently a few years before they, (the wheels) got all military and started patrolling the station with armed airmen and a squirrel farted in it's sleep one night, someones Sten gun went off and a Lanc had holes in one of it's rudders, the toys were then taken away and the airmen went back to fixing A/C not playing soldiers. It is my observation many years after the fact that airmen (collectively mechanics ) make better drinkers and lovers than fighters.
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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2010, 09:29:05 AM »
..and check on the state of the alert

Bill, I had to chuckle over this. It reminded me of my service days. We had an alert status board. There were four colored plaques. White, everything is quiet. Gray, hmm, something going on. Yellow, a nearby compound was under attack. Red, "our" compound was under attack. Typically military! Why would you need red? And what fool had the chore to go out and put it up?  ;D
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2010, 09:46:07 AM »
A friend was assigned to a tactical nuke on a rocket with a 30 mile range. They really wondered if they would auctually launch it if ordered to.
 We used to watch echo, our first satelite, I think it was an aluminum ball we bounced signals off of. Telstar was a big deal too.
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2010, 12:59:46 PM »
Yeah Bob I don't remember who our person was that changed the status but I think it was an LAC like the rest of us and they passed along all the information they had, so all most before the Officers had it we had the latest, if I remember correctly it was at that time the phrase "Don't Look at the Flash Children" was being shown in all the theaters along with duck and cover instructions so naturally all the airmen picked it up modified it and howled it at each other, for years you could hear it on the flight line, in the maintenance hangar, station flight, bomb dump "Don't Look at the #$%*ing Flash Kiddies" in the "wets" when someone had too much Nickel Beer Night and was pissed, obviously they'd looked at the flash, odd the memories that pop up.
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2010, 06:36:50 PM »
I agree with BobbyR.  I grew up in a close suburb of Detroit.  I was 8 when Sputnik was launched.  I remember seeing it fly over in the evening, also Echo.  The elementry school had 3 different alarm bells. One was fire, another was tornado and the third was air raid.  For tornado and air raid drills we went to the interior hallway and the girls sat on the floor facing the wall.  The boys stood over them and leaned face first against the wall.  I still have the dog tag I was issued.  It looks just like the military version.  It has my name, address, religion and my mothers name on it.  We were supposed to wear them every day to school.  I often wondered how, in the event of a attack, my mother, who lived 2 blocks from the school, would be able to survive and identify my charred remains.  The next city over had a Nike anti-aircraft missile site.  We could see the buildings that housed the personnel from the small amusement park across the street.  Anyone who grew up in the Downriver Detroit area in the 50's will remember this.  The Hudson's Department store near our house had one of those Civil Defense signs on it. Also the school.  I also still have the Civil Defense booklet sent to our house on how to construct a bomb shelter in your own basement and how to stock it with food and other supplies.  When the Cuban Missile Crisis broke out, we were glued to the TV, watching Walter Cronkite give us the details.
My wife and I toured the missile museum in Green Valley,AZ.  The guide talked about after the keys were turned and the missiles were launched, how the crew would have time to think about their families on the outside.  MAD sure summed up the times.

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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2010, 06:43:45 PM »
I agree with BobbyR.  I grew up in a close suburb of Detroit.  I was 8 when Sputnik was launched.  I remember seeing it fly over in the evening, also Echo.  The elementry school had 3 different alarm bells. One was fire, another was tornado and the third was air raid.  For tornado and air raid drills we went to the interior hallway and the girls sat on the floor facing the wall.  The boys stood over them and leaned face first against the wall.  I still have the dog tag I was issued.  It looks just like the military version.  It has my name, address, religion and my mothers name on it.  We were supposed to wear them every day to school.  I often wondered how, in the event of a attack, my mother, who lived 2 blocks from the school, would be able to survive and identify my charred remains.  The next city over had a Nike anti-aircraft missile site.  We could see the buildings that housed the personnel from the small amusement park across the street.  Anyone who grew up in the Downriver Detroit area in the 50's will remember this.  The Hudson's Department store near our house had one of those Civil Defense signs on it. Also the school.  I also still have the Civil Defense booklet sent to our house on how to construct a bomb shelter in your own basement and how to stock it with food and other supplies.  When the Cuban Missile Crisis broke out, we were glued to the TV, watching Walter Cronkite give us the details.
My wife and I toured the missile museum in Green Valley,AZ.  The guide talked about after the keys were turned and the missiles were launched, how the crew would have time to think about their families on the outside.  MAD sure summed up the times.
Strange days they were for damn sure.
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2010, 07:10:48 PM »
Bobby I was "in" during the Cuban missile crisis and it was interesting it was the first time they issued us with weapons, no ammunition or bayonets and we would do our thing on the flight line and come back to the hangar and check on the state of the alert while signing off inspections, and I remember some idiot or idiots down in the states started popping of Microwave Towers and the alert status changed up (don't ever remember whether they got caught or what, I know the airmen of RCAF station Comox were collectively hoping that the book was thrown at them) any how Twitch, TWITCH, Twitch, twitch, :o, Oh and the reason for no ammo was apparently a few years before they, (the wheels) got all military and started patrolling the station with armed airmen and a squirrel farted in it's sleep one night, someones Sten gun went off and a Lanc had holes in one of it's rudders, the toys were then taken away and the airmen went back to fixing A/C not playing soldiers. It is my observation many years after the fact that airmen (collectively mechanics ) make better drinkers and lovers than fighters.
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That is a great story. I met a old Sargent who was in Germany when the Missile Crisis hit. His family was with him. At the end of the road a sea of Russian Armor was massed at the end of the road. He was in Artillery and all they could do is boresight the guns down the road and wait. I asked, could you have held them. He said about 10 minutes.

One afternoon I and some others were on "ready" status while the Troopers and ships were out making a house call. The new CO ordered us to "get your weapons and guard your ships". You never saw a more inept group of malcontents trying to devise a plan of defense. Then we got bored and played cards.  Thank God the real soldiers came back later in the afternoon.   
 
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2010, 09:52:46 PM »
I was 14 and I never even looked up but I'm sure someone told me about it.  It was just a piece of scrap metal flying around the sky to me.  I grew up in rural southern Manitoba and I have to confess I wasn't interested in space or science fiction.  I do remember the duck and cover that school kids were doing in the US and the bomb shelters.  They seemed pointless to me.  I had a friend that would roll his eyes and say "crazy people".

I remember the day they landed on the moon.  I was busy and couldn't figure out what folks were enthused about.  What difference to anything has it made?  I did enjoy Homer's books though.

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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2010, 11:17:33 PM »
My parents were still practising, but soon there after I did watch that special effects lunar landing ;D ;)

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What difference to anything has it made? 

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What difference to anything has it made? 

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« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2010, 06:38:10 PM »
This is pretty cool.  Granddaddy of the Mars Rovers.

http://www.aolnews.com/science/article/nasa-photos-reveal-lost-soviet-moon-rover/19405554

Recently read a book titled A Firey Peace in a Cold War and the chapter of the Cuban Missile Crisis tells how close we came.  In interviews with a Russian who was in charge of a missile battery in Cuba he stated they were under orders to launch if Cuba was attacked.  They practiced getting the missiles ready to launch under the cover of night and then would dismantle them before daylight so the U.S. was unaware they were operational.  Given the fact that they would most likely lose communication and be on there own and having the use it or lose it mentality who knows.  The U.S. top military brass were pushing for a strike on Cuba.  The cabinet meetings were very heated and JFK stood up to their pressure and saved the world from disaster.
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Re: History - Do any of you remember Sputnik (Oct. 1957)?
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2010, 08:07:19 PM »
I wonder how many times we were really close to the big one.  And I wonder just how close we were.

Seems like I recall hearing a story about a mistaken somethingorother and the button was almost pushed.  It was so long ago I don't remember any of the story.


Anyone have any good close-call stories?
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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2010, 04:07:53 AM »
Bobby it was ever that way with us too, a "New Broom" would show up and things would get crazy for awhile, then the old timers would suggest "yes it's a good idea sir", but they really should be doing something else and things would get back to some sort of equilibrium.
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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2010, 10:06:34 AM »
i was 4 then but i still remember my dad and neighbors talking about building bomb shelters
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