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Offline Hannibal Smith

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Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« on: March 26, 2010, 07:53:01 PM »
Will a starter "hole" block off plate/plug for CB750(SOHC) also work with a CB550(SOHC)?

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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 08:29:51 PM »
The one  for 750, fits a 30 mm hole.


 If yours is the same, it should fit, Myself and a few other members make them for sale..
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2010, 09:11:21 AM »





I made my own- There is a thick web on the inside of the lower case, and I drilled/tapped a 6mm allocation for a retaining fastener (blind hole). I machined an integral "castle" nut so it is truly a set it, and forget it install. This plug is going to pass tech!

I machined mine out of ZK-60 Magnesium for cool points, and it will be finished with zinc chromate (green).

I am machining some side covers and the like to compliment my custom front end that I made. I should be done with the rearsets pretty soon too-
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2010, 09:24:52 AM »
Looks great, , lot of work..
 Cant say I ever heard of one coming loose without the bolt, had one in a motor for 25 years...
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 09:25:52 AM »


This is the correct orientation to get the fastener into the thick web. Plus, it matches the case contour.
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 09:28:32 AM »
Looks great, , lot of work..
 Cant say I ever heard of one coming loose without the bolt, had one in a motor for 25 years...

I am having fun, all the machining on this bike is overkill. I do this stuff for stress relief!
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2010, 09:42:29 AM »
Yup, know that feeling.. like the motormount I just made on the frame stiffening thread.. ;)
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2010, 10:01:38 AM »
Exactly! Your motormount looks great-
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2010, 11:42:19 AM »
I am having fun, all the machining on this bike is overkill. I do this stuff for stress relief!


If you lived close by, I'd make sure your life was completely stress free, my good man.  ;D  ;)

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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2010, 03:35:16 PM »
Check the o'ring part number and see if they are the same.  We have the 30mms
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2010, 03:38:04 PM »
For some reason, the  ???stock O-ring is listed as 24.* mm, but used on a 30mm diameter...
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2010, 03:50:36 PM »
My CB550 o-ring that was in the starter was a 25x3 or a 25x3.5 (it was permanently deformed/set) but the stock groove measured 25x3.4, so either would work-

The plug is 30mm OD-
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2010, 03:54:12 PM »
They are a little over 3mm on the cross section...

yeah was not thinking on the sizing, measured OD, not ID.. :-[
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2010, 06:33:50 PM »
The little CB590 racer has had one for a 750 from RC.Engineering in it since'85.Same size holes.Bill
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2010, 06:35:59 PM »





I made my own- There is a thick web on the inside of the lower case, and I drilled/tapped a 6mm allocation for a retaining fastener (blind hole). I machined an integral "castle" nut so it is truly a set it, and forget it install. This plug is going to pass tech!

I machined mine out of ZK-60 Magnesium for cool points, and it will be finished with zinc chromate (green).

I am machining some side covers and the like to compliment my custom front end that I made. I should be done with the rearsets pretty soon too-
Very nice work ! Want to see those rearsets etc.,Bill
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 08:55:23 PM »
Zinc chromate??? YUKKK! Puke green!(gag) Why ruin a beautiful piece of work!!???
Really, that is nice looking!!! 
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2010, 07:51:03 AM »
Zinc chromate??? YUKKK! Puke green!(gag) Why ruin a beautiful piece of work!!???
Really, that is nice looking!!! 

You might be right, but zinc chromate is the old school hallmark of mag parts-

I might just do it dark gray.
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 12:53:41 AM »
How bout titanium?  That'll be a stress reliever for you for sure.  I hear you have to really know what you're doing - or maybe it's just welding.
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2010, 09:23:52 AM »
How bout titanium?  That'll be a stress reliever for you for sure.  I hear you have to really know what you're doing - or maybe it's just welding.

Depends on the alloy, but Titanium is no joke to machine. It "work hardens" locally, so if get the cutter to dwell to long (feed) some alloys get rock hard at the effected area.

10+ years ago, I made axles and steering stems from the stuff almost weekly, I figured it out, but it still sucked. High rates of feed and low RPM's (sounds backwards, but it worked).

6Al 4V (6% Aluminum, 4% Vanadium) was the stuff I used. Anyway, sometimes you are better off making that stuff from heat-treatable steel alloys and maximizing your inherent strength/durability with the better steels and just engineering everything "thinner".

Titanium is indeed a miracle alloy, but your weight savings (all things being equal) is 40% at best over steel, that is a lot, but you also have to make some design/application considerations, so sometimes your weight savings only gets in the 25% after all is said and done on some components. But, as Shelby Smith said, if he had the dough, EVERYTHING would be titanium!

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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2010, 12:13:05 PM »
  I remember reading an article in one of the cycle magazines about this European firm that totally redid a Ducati Sport Classic out of Ti bits.  Every fastener, the exhaust, I think everything but the frame and forks was titanium.  Ended up saving about 75lbs or so!
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2010, 12:54:47 PM »
  I remember reading an article in one of the cycle magazines about this European firm that totally redid a Ducati Sport Classic out of Ti bits.  Every fastener, the exhaust, I think everything but the frame and forks was titanium.  Ended up saving about 75lbs or so!

and costing about $75K?  ;D
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 01:18:42 PM »
Yes Paul , I think it cost 75 K or more.

 Hannibal , how much cost on mag vs AL..?

 Last time I price Ti bar stock, it was a bit horrendous   :o

 I made some Ti spindles & coilovers for a very fast Mustang ..6sec car.

 When I threaded the spindles for the nuts, I then tried milling a small slot along the axis for the washer.. and proceeded to bust all my endmills.. nasty hardened interuppted cut.. :(

 could just ground that slot..
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 01:39:54 PM »
I checked this one website and 36" of 3/8 rod Ti was about equal with stainless 303.  About $80 for the Ti, $64.02 for the stainless.  Is that about right?

http://www.smallparts.com/Titanium-CP-ASTM-B348-Rod-Diameter/dp/B000FN1M3G?ie=UTF8&qid=1270411521&sr=1-9&pf_rd_r=1JQNSJFNZFWQZ92ERMTT&pf_rd_m=A2LPUKX2E7NPQV&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=16414231&pf_rd_p=493388231&pf_rd_s=center-3
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2010, 02:22:35 PM »
Might be OK for the Ti but off the top of my head I think I pay around 12 bux a foot or less for 1/2 in 304 stainless pound..

 Small length places sometimes have a lot of markup, espescially harware type stores..
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Re: Starter Block Off Plate Commonality?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2010, 03:29:18 PM »
Guys...the original "kit" part for Honda CR750 block off was... rubber. Get off the Ti stuff and make it light and simple. Rubber! Put the Ti where it counts, on retainers for valves, not the valves as they don"t like to get hit that much! Axels, steering stems, larger bolts such as swingarm pivot end the 8-12mm OD mounting bolts for engine.

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