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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2010, 09:21:26 PM »
10mg every 4 hours. and this is oxycodone, not oxycontin which is the time release version. i also take 20mg of flexeril every 8 hours and 75mg of amitryptaline every night. and this amount of oxycodone has gotten to the point where it isnt enough to do much for the pain, though every little bit of relief is welcome. i was close to suicidal the first 6 months after breaking my neck the pain was so damn bad, the only thing that saved me i think was the fact i would have hurt my family and my oldest cat stops eating or drinking when i'm gone more than a few days. that was before i found a doc that would prescribe something other than motrin, which i cannot take, cant take any nsaids in fact.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2010, 09:30:04 PM »
what happened to the plans for a surgical correction? A neural stimulator, or somesuch?
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2010, 09:33:15 PM »
Have you looked into a TENS unit?  I hear they are great for chronic stuff and once it's paid for, you're set.  If you want to start stepping down the oxy, start by talking with your doctor, otherwise try 7.5mg every 4hrs, for 3 days, then down to 5mg for 3 days, etc.  From what I understand, medical marijuana is really best for improving appetite.  I know people swear by its pain relieving properties, but I think that it is just as addicting as any other drug, so I would be careful.  Good luck, there really is no easy solution, but as far as drugs go, I like oxycodone from a treatment perspective.  I get people off of dilaudid and fentanyl drips all the time with a little oxy.  

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2010, 09:38:21 PM »
+1, Coldright's right on.   Your insurance might even pay for the TENS unit, or part of it- it paid for some of MickeyX's.    Very useful.  It takes some getting used to but is a hell of a thing.
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2010, 09:46:50 PM »
i'm having a nerve conductivity test next month to see where we go from here. the doc said that it's likely that the risks of surgical correction are going to outweigh any benefit i might get from it. i think that with medical marijuana it's just as much the fact that it really relaxes me as much as it helps with the actual pain. the oxycodone speeds me up and if i take it too late in the day i'll stay up all night. the other question is whether medicaid would even pay for the surgery.
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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2010, 09:48:48 PM »
The only TENS units I'm aware of are external and you place the pads on your skin. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2010, 09:49:06 PM »
I would love to jump in here and sound all smart and stuff, but I just pulled on a bowl.

Perhaps tomorrow ;)

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2010, 09:59:28 PM »
I would love to jump in here and sound all smart and stuff, but I just pulled on a bowl.

Perhaps tomorrow ;)

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2010, 10:30:22 PM »
I can't imagine how hard I'd laugh if I watched this video while baked... but I'll subject Seaweb to it anyway, like a canary in a coal mine:


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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2010, 10:34:12 PM »
I can't imagine how hard I'd laugh if I watched this video while baked... but I'll subject Seaweb to it anyway, like a canary in a coal mine:



i can answer that question Kit. i fell out of my desk chair i laughed so hard.
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2010, 10:36:19 PM »
I post the damn thing over and over because I laugh EVERY time I watch it... and I haven't smoked in... (mumble,mumble) years now... :P
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2010, 10:40:40 PM »
Kit, if ya'll ever come east for whatever reason, i have GOT to meet you, same warped sense of humor i have it seems  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2010, 10:45:33 PM »
If horses are big leather sacks of stupid, I'm a little leather coinpurse of weird... but you're on. :D
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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2010, 10:51:14 PM »
Leave it to you to coin the phrase, "coinpurse of weird."  I freakin' love that shrimp vid... I don't smoke and it still makes me laugh out loud.  The first time I opened the Health Care Bill thread, there it was doing it's little Bennie Hill treadmill dance.  Pure sweet comical genius. 

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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2010, 12:20:05 AM »
Yup, the TENS is great. I got my doc to prescribe it and the insurance paid 100% of it plus they help pay for the replacement pads. I dish out $20 every few months and just keep them clean so I can reuse them a lot. It seems to put "white noise" into my muscles and by tensing them actually helps them relax and become almost numb. That's the only way I can describe it. I like it and it's small so I can actually wear it under my scrubs at work and no one knows. I just tuck the wires.

There are many things out there that, maybe bundled together, can really help your situation if you get a decent set of docs. That is key. Ones that are still out there to help people, not just get paid.

My doc could have put me through all kinds of stuff but instead gave me what I needed, even though it meant that I went to someone else for it. That's why I picked him. I trusted him to do the right thing by me. It saved me tons of $$$ in expensive treatments that wouldn't have done any better. I feel 100% better these days overall, even though I do still go through some bad times. It's worth taking the time to find the right thing that works for you.  :) :)

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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2010, 12:39:03 AM »
that TENS sounds alot like what i had done after being adjusted by a chiropractor after a whiplash injury back in 98. they put the pads on me then hot packs wrapped in towels on top. i fell asleep on the table half the time. if that is all i'd need i would be ecstatic.
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2010, 03:35:33 AM »
Yeah, I met Mary back in the Nam days, she hasn't changed that much. A lot of it is hype from the anti-s saying we gotta outlaw it cuz its so strong now one puff will just melt your brain, and there's as much hype from the other side..."dude! ya gotta try this! it'll melt yer brain!!" Just takes less now to get where you want, and people tend to "appreciate" it more since it's a lot more expensive than it used to be. Nowadays there is a much wider variety, and there is diversity in the effects of different strains. Kinda like how microbrews are "stronger" than PBR or Bud Light.
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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2010, 07:05:50 PM »
would you believe that medicaid wont pay for a TENS unit? wonder how much the things cost? theyd rather keep me on dangerous narcotics i guess.
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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2010, 07:14:57 PM »
turns out that TENS units are very affordable. less than 100 dollars even for a top of the line unit. i'm going to ask my doc if he thinks one might work for me.
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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2010, 08:24:23 PM »
well as far as legalizing pot i have mixed feelings, yes it would cut down on crime, and i have a friend in cali where medical mj is approved, anyway she was a cancer pacient and has a card, It helped out with the nuseia from then kemo and it helped out the pain alot. I also have another friend in cali who's doc gave it to her when nothing else worked when she was pregenate for vomiting not even a shot in the rear, so he persrbed it to her and she stoped and it helped her out, but It kinda bugged me because it could birth defects if am not correct? I know ciggerets will so why not the mj?
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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2010, 09:00:00 PM »
crap, I waited to long again  ;)


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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2010, 09:03:28 PM »
mj does not birth defects

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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2010, 09:07:34 PM »
mj does not birth defects

That's good to  know,because my friends babies are having big health issues, she has twins, that why i was woundering. Thank You BlindJoe
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« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2010, 09:15:53 PM »
Yeah, I know a few ladies who have smoked while pregnant.  I can't say I think it's a great idea- introducing any drug to the system ultimately impacts the fetus somehow- BUT their kids seem ok.    I guess it's one of those things where it's a bad idea, generally, but some people get away with it.
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« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2010, 10:19:31 PM »
Typically, twins have more problems. We have anywhere up to 12 sets of twins in our neonate ICU sometimes. Triplets too. Usually a lower birth weight from sharing the nutrition, etc.

I have no idea what pot does to a fetus. I can guess. You still have tar and other stuff in pot that cigs have. It still affects the lungs it's just that, historically, people didn't chain smoke pot so there isn't a study of lung cancer from pot. No one will admit doing something illegal to be part of a study either.

That being said, I've yet to have a patient get out of hand or violent while under the influence of pot. They are mellow and polite. Alcohol almost guarantees a rowdy patient though.  ::)
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