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Offline kevleaper

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64mm bore
« on: May 23, 2021, 02:32:00 AM »
Hi
I recently bought a 750 frame and engine. The frame's been modded for racing, probably back in the 80s. Looking inside the engine it turns out to be rebuilt but never run with 64mm bores and a 327 cam. Looks really nice inside with ported head, new valves etc, but there's various bits missing like the rockers and shafts, but the barrels have some fin damage. I'm assuming it's impossible to get the fins repaired so it's a case of finding some decent barrels but will I need to liner them or do the standard bores go out to 64mm?
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2021, 02:47:40 AM »
Std. Barrels can be bored to 64mm.  Iirc, 65.5mm is the absolute limit.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2021, 02:53:28 AM »
Also, liners can be removed and swapped between cylinder castings.  So, if your bores are still good, you could save yourself the machining cost by heating the cylinders in an oven until the liners slide right out.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2021, 04:51:20 AM »
Fins can be repaired
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2021, 11:50:50 AM »
Thanks, the fin damage is a case of replacing missing material, so without knowing how someone could do that, or how they could do that, a secondhand set of barrels and a bore seems to be the way to go. Thanks.

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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2021, 02:10:02 PM »
Thanks, the fin damage is a case of replacing missing material, so without knowing how someone could do that, or how they could do that, a secondhand set of barrels and a bore seems to be the way to go. Thanks.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2021, 03:15:10 PM »
327 cam seems huge for that bore,wonder what it was built for?
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2021, 05:44:44 PM »
Looking at the bike , I say roadracing....
 I saw the pic in introductions.,

 Yes fins can be reoaired, sometimes reasonable , sometimes not.
 We need a pic if the pistons..if they are 12:1 might be bad on the street..
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2021, 11:48:07 AM »
 I have a friend that builds up fins from the edge with tig weld. They clean up nicely.
No matter how many times you paint over a shadow, it's still there.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2021, 03:05:21 PM »
I recently came up with some 64.5mm Powroll pistons and liners...what displacement does that make?  823?
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2021, 06:10:14 PM »
I recently came up with some 64.5mm Powroll pistons and liners...what displacement does that make?  823?
According to Dynoman 64mm is 811 and 65mm is 836. So 64.5mm should be 823.5, doing the math.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2021, 06:16:39 PM »
I recently came up with some 64.5mm Powroll pistons and liners...what displacement does that make?  823?
According to Dynoman 64mm is 811 and 65mm is 836. So 64.5mm should be 823.5, doing the math.

I wondered if anyone was ever gonna answer this...I hadn't even thought to do the simple math of figuring the halfway point between 811 and 836...I vaguely remembered seeing that 823 number somewhere,,,can't remember where or how long ago.  Thanks for confirming.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2021, 06:23:57 PM »
Building up damaged fins(not mine)


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Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2021, 08:09:24 PM »
 The bored out twin cams often are 823cc.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2021, 01:07:32 AM »
The bored out twin cams often are 823cc.

Ran across this a while backā€¦.
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Re: 64mm bore
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2021, 12:36:25 AM »
That page has one error, 67.5mm does NOT make 915cc.
Do the math from high school for volumes x number of cylinders (4) and find 901.7cc. (stroke is 63mm) 
900cc a more correct name for that bore ;)

Even CycleX has that error on their piston kit they call 915cc, Wiseco 67.5mm piston

(68mm make 915cc.)
915cc need thicker sleeves, no stepped version as 67 and 67.5mm pistons can use, the latter ends up in thinner sleeves where enter the case than 836 when using the stepped sleeves that can fit case without bore it.

More info when at it:
I noticed that 1975 and 1976 cases needed some massage by grinding off some. An old K2 case not.

That 67.5mm-915cc error can cause problems when ordering gaskets, sleeves, rings and pistons. Always mention the bore diam when order.
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