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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1375 on: April 08, 2024, 11:43:32 PM »
Damnit!   


           ...was really hoping you didn't want that wacky looking pipe and you were gonna sell it to me cheap...
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1376 on: April 09, 2024, 05:55:06 PM »


Oil and ZDDP acquired
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1377 on: April 15, 2024, 07:54:51 PM »
Rode the bike today!
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1378 on: April 15, 2024, 08:00:45 PM »
Those pipes look like the elusive "all lengths equal" solution has arrived!
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1379 on: April 16, 2024, 01:55:38 AM »
Congrats SKTP! How was it?
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Re: 1978 CB750K — 836cc break-in time!
« Reply #1380 on: April 16, 2024, 09:20:37 AM »
So I am now in BREAK-IN

The bike has new 836cc Wiesco Pistons/rings and a new Web cam. (HD studs & nuts. refurbished rocker arms)

Currently using that Bel Ray oil with ZDDP added.

The bike was initially ran at around 2000ish RPMs for 15 minutes (with a fan on it)

I have ridden it up and down the street a few times, keeping the RPMs below 5000 and shifting into different gears (1-4) to varry the load...

SO NEXT??? I need to ride 500 miles easy, change the oil and ride like a regular person?

First impressions: It definitely wants to go. It sounds the same at idle and low RMP but over 2000, you can hear (and feel that something is different (in a good way))

The bike sounds better than it ever has in terms of no noises, smoothness. I think I am going to be very happy. This is the 5th try. Praying for no leaks. Thank you for all of your help and comments...especially HONDAMAN!

Oh yeah...the oil cooler will go on at the 500mile oil changes...figuring out mounting and lines now.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2024, 09:33:41 AM by SKTP »
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1381 on: April 16, 2024, 09:29:09 AM »
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1382 on: April 16, 2024, 12:15:11 PM »
Do not run engine too slow.
There is a small window when bore surface is rough and can grind rings to seal.

Start and ride it carefully up to max 4000 rpm until engine is warm.
Throttle off from 4000 rpm a few times.
After a ca 30 minute ride continue to 6000 rpm bursts followed by  throttle offs, engine braking which is said to cause harder ring pressure to bores.

A 50 km ride like that ready to give 6000-7000 rpm burst ;)

This is fun. I could not stop the throttle before 8000rpm after 30-40 minutes! ;D

I have noticed that a modified CB750 always need to be fully warm until full throttle for max acceleration. Clutch need to be warm.
Also double check clutch levers for play, not too tense.
Good idea to handle a stock buke öike that too.

I checked the lever inside clutch cover too at first run after clutch assembly to ensure play.
I have got clutch slips when too tight.

I have old  Action Fours 65mm pistons to look at that got an easy break in. Not over 5000rpm the first 1000km. Brown residues under rings.

They do not seal as good as a set of RC 65 mm pistons with harder break in. Bores were not tight for the RC pistons either.

I remember I passed a friends car when getting a wheelie surprise when passing him in 70-120 kmh on a narrow bumpy country road at my first ride.

My first ride on that bike since almost 24 years felt good and happy I had the wheelie reflex to slowly release throttle to get front wheel down followed by full throttle! What a nice kick!!
The 4-1 was the screamier type. ;)
« Last Edit: April 16, 2024, 12:25:50 PM by PeWe »
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1383 on: April 19, 2024, 06:21:59 PM »
Honda's original break-in advice was to run them below 5000 RPM for the first 100 miles, then stay below 7000 RPM until 1000 miles. The latter urging was likely due to waiting for the crank bearings to be happy, as the pistons and rings were well seated by then.

I still remember the day my K2 showed the 1500 mile roll-over: I was on the then-brand-new I-90, when they had just taken down the construction barriers to it as we turned left (West) on our way to the Black Hills, 1972. At 1505 miles we were outside town and the next 25 miles were all at triple-digit+ speeds (no cops on duty yet!). Then I realized my friend on his CB500 was nowhere to be seen (only my brother in his Mach I was anywhere close) and my [first] wife, riding with me, asked if she could ride in the Mustang for a while... :/

I have a picture of the speedo that I took as she got off to go to the 'Stang, waiting for the 500 to catch up.
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1384 on: April 22, 2024, 11:13:06 AM »


115 miles in...kept it around 4-5000 constantly changing rpms and gears...I am going to try riding more normally (yet still conservatively very soon)

So far so good...
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1385 on: April 23, 2024, 07:04:00 AM »



So far so good...

Good to hear and boy are those Cyber trucks ugly!
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1386 on: April 23, 2024, 12:56:20 PM »
So I definitely have a bit of a stagger when I really open it up...and there is more smoke/condensation coming from vent-tube on the top of the valve cover than I remember

I currently have: #125 main jets - #35 Idle jets - Shims under needles 0.019" - stock airbox

I pulls hard once I get past the stumble, but I will definitely need to figure that out.

Is $600 for dyno tuning a standard-ish quote?

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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1387 on: April 23, 2024, 02:53:08 PM »
So I definitely have a bit of a stagger when I really open it up...and there is more smoke/condensation coming from vent-tube on the top of the valve cover than I remember

I currently have: #125 main jets - #35 Idle jets - Shims under needles 0.019" - stock airbox

I pulls hard once I get past the stumble, but I will definitely need to figure that out.

Is $600 for dyno tuning a standard-ish quote?
That's pretty high.
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1388 on: April 23, 2024, 09:14:48 PM »
So I definitely have a bit of a stagger when I really open it up...and there is more smoke/condensation coming from vent-tube on the top of the valve cover than I remember

I currently have: #125 main jets - #35 Idle jets - Shims under needles 0.019" - stock airbox

I pulls hard once I get past the stumble, but I will definitely need to figure that out.

Is $600 for dyno tuning a standard-ish quote?
That's pretty high.
Ca $150US
That includes no tuning of jets. I do that.
Very important to have correct needle taper. When needles are correct, easy to get the other right.

I let the dyno guy run from idle to full.
First slowly in small steps, reducing a little at each step.
This to measure AFR from idle to full.
See AFR for pilot circuit,  needle, main and the transitions between.

Then 3-4 WAT up to 9500rpm to measure power and AFR.
I get the result printed on a paper + sent to my mail. DIN is my choice.

3 graphs as pdf files.
DIN, SAE and STD correction factors. To compare with others. It can differ 1-2% between them. Different days, different weather make difference too.

Less numbers with SAE, then DIN and finally STD.

Interesting details:
Dyno hp corr factors
https://www.svtperformance.com/threads/sae-or-std-when-using-a-dyno.76757/#post-907101

post #9

AFR, air/fuel ratio to validate the jets and settings the main reason.

See  better power when corrected is fun too ;)
« Last Edit: April 23, 2024, 09:19:56 PM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1389 on: April 24, 2024, 08:32:52 AM »
Thank you for the reply PeWe but all of that is way over my head...I want to just drive the bike somewhere and have them tune it....

Apparently this guy is good: https://cohenmotorsports.com/dyno-tune/ (he's the $600 guy)

But Southern California people, who do you recommend?
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1390 on: April 24, 2024, 09:28:39 AM »
Thank you for the reply PeWe but all of that is way over my head...I want to just drive the bike somewhere and have them tune it....

Apparently this guy is good: https://cohenmotorsports.com/dyno-tune/ (he's the $600 guy)

But Southern California people, who do you recommend?
Mickey gets that ($$$$)as he is a very talented tech and mostly because the HD guys that go to him have bulging pride and deep pockets to bolster their pride.
Mickey used to handle all of the Triumph media fleet and was Triumph's go to guy to get answers to their problem bikes.(until he pissed off a new guy above him in corporate that didn't know him and what he knew.)
A great guy to be sure. Talk to him before you commit.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1391 on: April 24, 2024, 11:16:39 AM »
Thank you for the reply PeWe but all of that is way over my head...I want to just drive the bike somewhere and have them tune it....

Apparently this guy is good: https://cohenmotorsports.com/dyno-tune/ (he's the $600 guy)

But Southern California people, who do you recommend?
Mickey gets that ($$$$)as he is a very talented tech and mostly because the HD guys that go to him have bulging pride and deep pockets to bolster their pride.
Mickey used to handle all of the Triumph media fleet and was Triumph's go to guy to get answers to their problem bikes.(until he pissed off a new guy above him in corporate that didn't know him and what he knew.)
A great guy to be sure. Talk to him before you commit.

If he is buried in work at $600 he should give $700 a try probably :-)

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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1392 on: April 24, 2024, 01:29:11 PM »
I spoke with my dyno guy (Rick Stetson) today. Full dyno tune EFI 600.00
 Carburetor bikes 500.00
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« Reply #1393 on: April 24, 2024, 03:50:57 PM »
Thank you MRieck
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1394 on: April 25, 2024, 01:57:35 AM »



So far so good...

Good to hear and boy are those Cyber trucks ugly!

They make a Volvo 240 look good... Haha
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1395 on: May 06, 2024, 11:42:50 PM »
Mickey Cohen is the man as to Triumphs.
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1396 on: May 29, 2024, 01:55:17 PM »


Over 200 miles so far...
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« Reply #1397 on: May 31, 2024, 07:11:22 AM »
Looks great!
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Tell me about your 836cc experience
« Reply #1398 on: July 31, 2024, 09:37:56 AM »
Oil pressure.

So when I start my bike up (I have an oil pressure gauge just above the points cover) the bike get full pressure fairly quickly.

Then it randomly drops really low quickly a few times during warm-up.

Once the bike is warmed up, the pressure appears to act normally.

The actual Oil pressure light never comes on again once the bike is running.

Is this normal?

I am installing a CYCLE-X rebuilt oil pump because it is freaking me out.
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Re: 1978 CB750K — Post 836 OIL PRESSURE
« Reply #1399 on: July 31, 2024, 10:00:51 AM »
That usually indicates the by pass valve is opening on the pump, and then closing again. How high does it go initially? What weight oil are you using?
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