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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2010, 08:13:32 AM »
actually there was a study that was done to that effect.  by Drs. Kenneth and Mamie Clark
I wasn't all that willing to post to this thread because I couldn't find the experiment or its results...
anyway, in the 40s, sociologists Ken and Mamie Clark asked black kids about two dolls, one white and one black.

The majority, something like 60%, said they'd rather play with the white doll. Most said the white doll was nicer than the black doll and even weirder, 40-some percent of the black kids said the white doll looked most like them.

so there's probably more to it on the social side of it, but I'm also pretty sure that on the business side it really is that there's less demand for the black barbie, hence its being on sale.

here's a link to the ABC thing, where the news can tell us what to think:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7213714&page=1

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6. Do Black test takers show a preference for Black over White?

This question is the subject of ongoing research. Although White test takers tend to prefer White over Black, the results from Black test takers are more varied. Some Black people prefer Black over White, others show no preference, and still others prefer White over Black.

http://www.understandingprejudice.org/iat/faqrace.htm

There is a book I read not long ago called 'Blink' and he talks about how racial prejudice is actually a subconscience thing than a conscience thing. Also, he talked about that very same test. It is a good read, I recomend it. He calls prejudice "The Warren Harding Error".
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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2010, 08:29:28 AM »
There is a book I read not long ago called 'Blink' and he talks about how racial prejudice is actually a subconscience thing than a conscience thing. Also, he talked about that very same test. It is a good read, I recomend it. He calls prejudice "The Warren Harding Error".

Yeah, that's where I heard about the test. Malcolm Gladwell writes some interesting stuff. I haven't picked up his newest book yet, but it's on my to-do.

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« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2010, 08:45:13 AM »
There is a book I read not long ago called 'Blink' and he talks about how racial prejudice is actually a subconscience thing than a conscience thing. Also, he talked about that very same test. It is a good read, I recomend it. He calls prejudice "The Warren Harding Error".

Yeah, that's where I heard about the test. Malcolm Gladwell writes some interesting stuff. I haven't picked up his newest book yet, but it's on my to-do.

Yeah he is a good author. What is his newest book called?
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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2010, 08:47:53 AM »
There is a book I read not long ago called 'Blink' and he talks about how racial prejudice is actually a subconscience thing than a conscience thing. Also, he talked about that very same test. It is a good read, I recomend it. He calls prejudice "The Warren Harding Error".

Yeah, that's where I heard about the test. Malcolm Gladwell writes some interesting stuff. I haven't picked up his newest book yet, but it's on my to-do.

Yeah he is a good author. What is his newest book called?

I believe it's What the Dog Saw. I've seen it in hardback in airport bookstores but I don't like paying a premium for the same product when paperback is $15 less. Actually, I haven't gotten to read Outliers yet either.

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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2010, 08:51:50 AM »
There is a book I read not long ago called 'Blink' and he talks about how racial prejudice is actually a subconscience thing than a conscience thing. Also, he talked about that very same test. It is a good read, I recomend it. He calls prejudice "The Warren Harding Error".

Yeah, that's where I heard about the test. Malcolm Gladwell writes some interesting stuff. I haven't picked up his newest book yet, but it's on my to-do.

Yeah he is a good author. What is his newest book called?

I believe it's What the Dog Saw. I've seen it in hardback in airport bookstores but I don't like paying a premium for the same product when paperback is $15 less. Actually, I haven't gotten to read Outliers yet either.

Right on I will have to check it out.

I got the new sony e-reader and I love it. Buy almost any book for like 6 bucks, not to mention all the free e-pubs out there and google books. I also get my text books for school for about 70% less than the paper version costs.
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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #80 on: April 12, 2010, 08:54:55 AM »
Too ........ many........ big ........ words.......


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I was just using italian as an example. I don't consider myself anything but human. no one really knows their genealogy because a lot of times the father isn't the father. my whole point was it's not really important. and these lines we draw are not reality. race, ethnicity is much more fluid than what we think of. you need a sense of history to grasp this.

I think, looking at the people in my town, that maybe 75% rest easy in the knowledge that their parents are actually their parents. Not to make a "racist" comment... but aside from divorce, death, or some other unforseen circumstance, I don't see a lot of "white" married couples with bastard children.

Like I said.... that is just my observation. As as long as I have been in this area I see more and more children born out of wedlock.... so..... Yes, it probably is actually as bad as you make it sound.

I wouldn't label myself as christian or anything else, I thought that was clear. they kicked me out of catechism for thinking too much.

They kicked you out too?!?!?! And here I thought I was the only Dego with a letter from the Vatican!  8)

I think religion/mysticism is superstitious nonsense. faith is another way of saying 'shut off the logical part of your brain, ignore apparent truths and do what you're told'. i was talking about the  philosophy of Jesus. who was most certainly a real person. as was someone like Gilgamesh. who became a mythic figure, but was most definitely a real man at some point.

Without any "real" evidence you believe that he was an actual person. The bible was created by a council of men several hundred years after his supposed death and yet you have "faith" in the knowledge that he was real. White or black or brown is irrelevent, but a single specific person?

the main point I mean to make is that we are all human and our differences are trivial. and the other point is that most christians are not adhering to the message of christ.


I can agree with that.

there is nothing wrong with argumentation in the sense of a cooperative exchange which seeks to enlighten all parties concerned, but for this to happen you have to be willing to be swayed as well as to sway. I never 'believe' anything. all of my opinions or ideas are just that, and as I learn more and experience more I can get a better grasp on the big picture.


OK I take back some of what I just wrote.... except the Dego part.  :D

as soon as someone 'believes' something or adheres themselves to some doctrine or another they have stopped their own growth. turned off the brain. I think we need to always be willing to learn or experience each others viewpoints. I want to know what others think and why, but I prefer it if they came to their conclusions based on their own analysis of matters. ideologies are stumbling blocks in this sense. and will get us nowhere.

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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #81 on: April 12, 2010, 10:11:13 AM »
No, I take that back, I'm more bothered by everything Joe said. Not trying to pick on you, but REALLY.

Yep.  they were on clearance because they weren't selling.

That's how it works in business.

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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #82 on: April 12, 2010, 11:48:19 AM »
I have a buddy who is 1/2 italian and 1/2 navajo.

he calls himself a wop-a-ho. ;D

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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #83 on: April 12, 2010, 11:50:16 AM »

They kicked you out too?!?!?! And here I thought I was the only Dego with a letter from the Vatican!  8)



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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #84 on: April 12, 2010, 12:53:18 PM »

I think, looking at the people in my town, that maybe 75% rest easy in the knowledge that their parents are actually their parents. Not to make a "racist" comment... but aside from divorce, death, or some other unforseen circumstance, I don't see a lot of "white" married couples with bastard children.

:D That so reminds me of something I said the other night...
"I really wish I could've been back in WI for my friends' weddings, but most of them skipped the weddin' and went right to the breedin'."

Out of my friends, I think only one or two got married... but the vast majority have kids and "baby daddies" who either stuck around but are no longer with them or involved with the kids or are nowhere to be seen at all.
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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2010, 12:04:44 AM »
I tried church once but couldn't stand the burning once I entered ;D  That and most stuff is during daylight hours so there is another strike.
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2010, 05:16:24 AM »
As unbelievable as it may sound...

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 13th century

1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

translated it is one's belief in something.....Wow....I guess to have faith in something doesn't mean you have to have evidence to support it huh?  Imagine that. 

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« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2010, 05:39:53 AM »
translated it is one's belief in something.....Wow....I guess to have faith in something doesn't mean you have to have evidence to support it huh?  Imagine that. 

I'm not bitter or anything but don't get too close or I will bite you  ;D

How is this in any way, shape, or form "unbelievable" or unexpected?

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« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2010, 05:59:52 AM »
translated it is one's belief in something.....Wow....I guess to have faith in something doesn't mean you have to have evidence to support it huh?  Imagine that.  

I'm not bitter or anything but don't get too close or I will bite you  ;D

How is this in any way, shape, or form "unbelievable" or unexpected?

I was talking about greasy j's comment and I never said anything was unexpected.

Quote from:  greasy j on April 10, 2010, 05:07:53 pm
I think religion/mysticism is superstitious nonsense. faith is another way of saying 'shut off the logical part of your brain, ignore apparent truths and do what you're told'. i was talking about the  philosophy of Jesus. who was most certainly a real person. as was someone like Gilgamesh. who became a mythic figure, but was most definitely a real man at some point.
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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2010, 06:25:49 AM »
Okay, how is the dictionary definition of a word "unbelievable?"

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« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2010, 07:37:08 AM »
Okay, how is the dictionary definition of a word "unbelievable?"

WTF are you talking about?  ???
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« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2010, 08:53:23 AM »
Okay, how is the dictionary definition of a word "unbelievable?"

WTF are you talking about?  ???

Because you posted this:
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As unbelievable as it may sound...

then pasted the dictionary definition of "faith."

Why do you find the definition of a word unbelievable?

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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2010, 09:54:24 AM »
I have faith that I will finish cutting my valves tonight at school and might even get the seats done.

do unto your valves as you would do unto their seats, for a tight seal is the key to happiness.

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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2010, 10:43:14 AM »
Okay, how is the dictionary definition of a word "unbelievable?"

WTF are you talking about?  ???

Because you posted this:
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As unbelievable as it may sound...

then pasted the dictionary definition of "faith."

Why do you find the definition of a word unbelievable?

you did not see the sarcasm?  Did you read the last part?
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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2010, 06:53:17 PM »
Yea well screw you both....

My cousin's sister's boyfriend's aunt's neighbor was black and they'd be appalled at your lack of concern for other doll races.

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« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2010, 07:08:57 PM »
nothin' like boinkin' a bundle of sticks!
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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2010, 07:19:40 PM »
Now that all of this "black Barbie, white Barbie" crap has started, I wonder what would have happened if the WHITE Barbie was marked down?  I bet a weeks pay absolutely nothing would have been said or done.  But because the BLACK barbie was marked down, it's become a racial issue.  I wonder what would happen if someone were to try to start "White History Month" oh, no! Can't do that, it would be racist.  Instead of the NAACP we have the NAAWP oh, no! Can't do that, it would be racist.
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« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2010, 07:27:09 PM »
Now that all of this "black Barbie, white Barbie" crap has started, I wonder what would have happened if the WHITE Barbie was marked down?  I bet a weeks pay absolutely nothing would have been said or done.  But because the BLACK barbie was marked down, it's become a racial issue.  I wonder what would happen if someone were to try to start "White History Month" oh, no! Can't do that, it would be racist.  Instead of the NAACP we have the NAAWP oh, no! Can't do that, it would be racist.
I'm sorry, I'm just fed up with the whole ball game.

You've obviously never watched history channel around St Patricks day  ;D
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« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2010, 07:33:53 PM »
Obviously not. What about it?

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Re: Black Barbie is not worth as much...
« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2010, 07:36:40 PM »
Twas a joke laddie... All they do around that time is basically white Irish history usually for at least a week before.
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