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The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 09:58:14 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 06:36:17 PM »
These guys where a breath of fresh air in 1977 and the first nail in disco's coffin.  R.I.P Malcolm.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 06:47:38 PM »
Yeah, they weren't bad.

I guess I'm more of a New York Dolls/ Clash fan.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2010, 02:14:16 AM »
Ah the Sex Pistols  8) they caught my attention as a 14 year old in 1977, still have my first Punk single i bought by the Clash White Riot  8), RIP Malcolm, cheers Mick.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2010, 10:20:59 AM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2010, 05:47:08 PM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2010, 06:21:29 PM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.

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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2010, 09:33:03 PM »
There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.

No, but there is something else new now... most of the kids don't like it, and us old folks haven't heard of it and wouldn't recognize it if we did.



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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 09:37:09 PM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.
umm,its not called crap,its called rap,,and it is crap.

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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2010, 09:47:37 PM »


  Don't know anything about that stuff, I quit listening to much of anything made after the mid 60's and listened only to some after that and stopped about the late 60's, with only an occasional after that. So, I can't offer an opinion on that stuff. I'm one of those OLDER folks who don't know what it IS OR what it WAS. ::) ;)
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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2010, 09:49:32 PM »
years ago i worked at a cabinet factory called B and T cabinets as a driver/delivery,,we had a huge pantry to deliver and install to a new house so the boss sent a total of 5 guys to help lift this thing onsite,it was a narrow pathway and was difficult,the builder also had a couple of guys to help,,as we all were struggling with it down this awkward access area the builder says why dont a couple of B and T boys go around the outside and grab hold of it from there,,so us B and T boys started singing ,,B and T boys go round the outside,round the outside,round the outside!!!hearing of  mc larens death made me remember that.,,the builder mustave thought we were freaks!!

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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2010, 10:38:54 PM »
after seeing that ol Malcolm has gone on to the great gig in the sky, i set the amplifier for maximum overdrive and went through my repetoire of Sex Pistols and New York Dolls tunes.
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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2010, 11:49:19 PM »
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Here is some proto-punk that you may have listened to in 1964. ;D

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 12:07:10 AM »
these guys were always entertaining to say the least. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2010, 12:24:28 AM »
Another favorite from the 70's

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2010, 12:32:02 AM »
yeah patti smith,,the distillers was an earlier combo i think,,devo,,gut feeling,,and smith ,ask the angels.

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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2010, 07:38:25 AM »
 Don't know anything about that stuff, I quit listening to much of anything made after the mid 60's and listened only to some after that and stopped about the late 60's, with only an occasional after that. So, I can't offer an opinion on that stuff. I'm one of those OLDER folks who don't know what it IS OR what it WAS. ::) ;)
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2010, 08:16:09 AM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.
umm,its not called crap,its called rap,,and it is crap.

There is such a thing as intelligent rap, though it's called hip-hop and most of it comes from groups that don't have a record contract. Otherwise I totally agree rap sucks.

With that said.


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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2010, 05:01:41 PM »
My brother's band Warcry in 2009:

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2010, 06:18:43 PM »
i filmed this while on tour in Japan.. can't remember what year, but it was this decade.


sex pistols were considered poseurs by most of the rest of the punk scene worldwide. 2010 may not be the heyday of punk (i'd say there have been several... 1981 maybe the peak), but there's still tons of good #$%* out there. like the pistols, most of the commercial #$%* you see is poseur garbage. ok, ok.. never mind the bollocks was an ok record.  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 06:20:49 PM »
i always liked DRI too. i saw them at a club in Boston, somewhere in the combat zone, back in 85 or maybe 86. i still have the scar tissue on my scalp from that night  :D
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2010, 08:22:01 PM »
punk is alive and well in the sense of the hardcore scene that was spawned from it. black flag, minor threat, bad brains, then on. those kids found places to play, started their own labels and blazed a trail. there are still tons of shows, every week. lots of people still goin out to see these bands and buy their records, and who pay no attention whatsoever to whatever's on the radio.

and it spread. most metal, stoner rock, garage rock bands, etc. these days do it the punk rock diy way. just different kind of music. and punk bands these days have little in common w/ the sex pistols and no offense but the average guy wouldn't recognize it if it bit him on the ass. you don't see it or hear it because it is not for mass consumption. but the kids are still organized into record labels and punk houses and makin fanzines, t shirts whatevs all themselves w/out any corporation backing them or radio station playing them.

and the sex pistols are ok and all but they were basically pop because punk was popular for about 10 minutes, just like blink 182 is pop music. in the sense that punk was a part of the mainstream, then yeah punk is dead and snowboard rock/pop punk is alive and well. but the real punk scene is doin fine.

by the way Paul is in a kick ass band, Tragedy, that plays hardcore punk. I went out and saw them play, bought their records and lots of others have.

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2010, 11:21:40 PM »
I guess I have an opposite take on it.  To me the Sex Pistols, Clash, Ramones, Patti Smith, Voidiods, Suicide Commandos, etc were the real punk music.  The fact that the Sex Pistols burst on the scene mocking and rejecting mainstream rock and roll and then imploding after a few short years was the point. To me punk was dead by around 1979 when it went mainstream and that goes for the hardcore punk that emerged around that time.  That style has changed little from 1981 to 1991 to 2001 to now.  The hardcore stuff I heard in 1981 is no different than the stuff out now.  It's mainstream even if not commercially successful.  It's just another genre of rock and roll now, nothing new or groundbreaking.  I saw many of the early bands from 1975-78 and it left the rest of the music world scratching their heads.  I still liked much of the music that grew out of it like Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, The Cure, Gang of Four, etc but I would not call that punk.  Can't leave without mentioning John Cale, Lou Reed, The Velvet Underground, and Iggy and the Stooges.
I guess some of us saw it at different times and perspectives so we all have a different take on it so I am not trying to argue.  :)
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