Topic: Apparently Phil Hare doesn't care about the Constitution.

[Industrial Cafe]

I've never been into politics at all.
but just so you understand how "not into it" I am- I have all the news channels on my TV blocked so I don't accidentally stumble across them.
they are boring...  and I do not care.

    Until recently, I could give 2 #$%*s about what the government's doing...
but now there's a lot of ignorant people running things, and the whole Magilla's gonna come to an ugly head and burst all over our collective shirts soon.

good times!

[Industrial Cafe]

I watched it again, poor guy... look at his face, he knows he didn't mean to say that.

[HondaLover77]

I watched it again, poor guy... look at his face, he knows he didn't mean to say that.

you know he did lol  wow i guess we are unworthy of his do you know who I am bit, I WAS LAUGING MY BUTT OFF, I have herd that before and I am thinking I REALLY DON'T CARE WHO U ARE!

[Caaveman82]

If it is something you believe in and you have two or three jerk offs badgering you, you get excited and things get said. What ever.

[Gordon]

I bet YouTube is right near the top of every politicians' list of things they hate.  They've always slipped up and said stupid crap like that, but now it's all recorded and put up on the internet for everybody to see and hear. 

[333]

And it's especially easy to badger someone when they are not on camera.  Sure, maybe somewhere the video is posted that identifies them.

And were any of you aware that in some states you can sue someone who calls you a liar?  Even if it's true!

[Industrial Cafe]

I think he meant ''this has nothing to do with the constitution'' weather it does or not I could care less. "they" are going to do whatever they want, they're the ones with the money.
   I hope this whole health care thing works out.
    
personally I think all forms of insurance is/are a racket.
   the price of everything covered by insurance is ridiculous because of greedy people and the fact that they can incrementally bump the price up and insurance will pay for it.

my daughter spends 1 hour a week with a speech therapist and insurance pays $ $424.00 a week for that.
now you can't tell me her teacher gets even 20% of that money.
     she sees 12 kids a day, that's $12,720 a week for that one instructor.
 there's 6 instructors in the building and if it's all the same, that's $76,320 a week from insurance companies.
          yearly=  $3,968,640

to me, that should cost 20 bucks a visit.
    she would make $1440wk or $74,880yr.  even if there's an overhead cost, there's 6 instructors. take some off the top of each paycheck and pay the office bills.



in summary I'll say, the world has gotten too big, there's too much going on and we need to elect a president who will fund covert research into the reanimation of dead tissue.

[jaknight]

Enjoy....

I live on a fixed income of barely..... barely, over $1,000 per month.

I am going to have to pay about $1,000 a year for this new, great, wonderful, etc., etc., Health Crap, whether I want to or not.

That's going to leave me like about $900 a month.

Enjoy..... while the Constitution, rights, freedoms, justice gets flushed down the politically sanitized toilet.

I remember a California politician caught on film by CNN questioned about firearm legislation, how would it hamper criminals, he replied, "I don't give a da** about criminals!"

The real comes out under pressure.

Republican, Democrat, whatever..... the vast majority of all of them are worthless, self-centered, non caring creeps that we have lost more freedoms to than we have ever lost on any battlefield.

Our own politicians have stripped more freedoms from us than any foreign enemy.

   ~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~ ~

[Industrial Cafe]

The real comes out under pressure.

Republican, Democrat, whatever..... the vast majority of all of them are worthless, self-centered, non caring creeps that we have lost more freedoms to than we have ever lost on any battlefield.

Our own politicians have stripped more freedoms from us than any foreign enemy.

   ~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~ ~

+1

[BeSeeingYou]

Enjoy....

I live on a fixed income of barely..... barely, over $1,000 per month.

I am going to have to pay about $1,000 a year for this new, great, wonderful, etc., etc., Health Crap, whether I want to or not.

That's going to leave me like about $900 a month.

Enjoy..... while the Constitution, rights, freedoms, justice gets flushed down the politically sanitized toilet.

I remember a California politician caught on film by CNN questioned about firearm legislation, how would it hamper criminals, he replied, "I don't give a da** about criminals!"

The real comes out under pressure.

Republican, Democrat, whatever..... the vast majority of all of them are worthless, self-centered, non caring creeps that we have lost more freedoms to than we have ever lost on any battlefield.

Our own politicians have stripped more freedoms from us than any foreign enemy.

   ~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~ ~

I would guess at that income level you would qualify for subsides to help pay for it.  Maybe it would not cover all the cost?  I take it you don't have any health care coverage now?  If not, who is going to pay if you have a catastrophic illness that could run into tens of thousands or more that you may not be able to afford?  We, the taxpayers.  Or would you be so noble as to refuse treatment to save us all the money?

[HondaLover77]

Now I have to say something sunburst, not all govt run help is fair, my kids are on medicade until james gets back to work then after that they wont have ins. because they say that we make to much when he's been making the same and having more taken outta his checks every 2 weeks, there is a 500 dollar diffence less in what he brings home, see the problem is they go by GROSS NOT NET! still even then the kids should have still quilaified. He is paying about $500.00 or a little over every 2 weeks just for us 2 for ins. in return it brings his net income to 1,000 a month if that. I don't like this new health care bill they are trying to push, it's not in the constitution and they should not force people to get it, it will only make families like us get put out on the streets, because if u have no insurance under the bill u will be fined, not fair and even worse medicare can decided to pay or not to pay for operations for the elderly if needed and it may not be around long enough, they have over extented our reserves and are now trying to find a way to dig out of it , and what better way then the health care bill and fines for those who cannot afford it. There is gonna be alotta homeless people when this thing gets put into affect i can promise u that. just my 2 cents.

[jaknight]

I would guess at that income level you would qualify for subsides to help pay for it.  Maybe it would not cover all the cost?  I take it you don't have any health care coverage now?  If not, who is going to pay if you have a catastrophic illness that could run into tens of thousands or more that you may not be able to afford?  We, the taxpayers.  Or would you be so noble as to refuse treatment to save us all the money?

At my income level, or at any income level, I do not want any subsidies to help pay for it.
That would be a burden on other people who should not be forced to shoulder my responsibilities.

No, it would not cover all the cost.

You are correct, I do not have health coverage.

Who will cover the tens of whatever that this plan covers that is not paid in by the person who has the coverage....... He pays $1,500 a year, his costs have been $35,000 this year.....

Would I be so "noble?"
That has already been proven and done.  I footed the bill out of my pocket for "tens of thousands" for an accident and for a later sickness.  I am not rich, I paid cash for the accident and made a biweekly payment on the other until it was all paid off.  No one did it for me.  No one should have to or be forced to do so.

And that is where the issue I raised is being sidestepped.  This cannot be denied that it is being forced on to people, whether they want it or not.

And that is not freedom.

Is it really believed that the majority of these politicians, irregardless of political party, care if you drop dead on the sidewalk?

I saw two men die on a sidewalk 5 feet away from me.  I rushed over to help, to do whatever I could.  I began crying when I realized they were dead.  Police were called.  I did not see any politician show up and start to do something, anything, nothing, laugh, cry, or get angry that two humans are gone.

It is control, power, money, ego.  What a thrill to tell the bigwigs at Prudential, Hartford, Bank of America, IBM and Exxon what they are going to do.  Why, it's enough to make you so exhausted, you can sleep at night...... no matter what your conscience says about the Constitution.

Now, Federal can usurp control from individual states.  Health care can be taken as an interstate commerce.  A man in California refuses insurance, hence, raising the insurance rates for a man in Nevada.  The Federal will take care of this by making it mandatory across the nation.  The states will lose some ground here.  Now, for the next step.....

~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~

[Don R]

I know Phil Hare, he is a good man. For a politician, but being from Illinois any politician not being investigated or indited or headed for jail yet seems OK. I for one have lost faith in our system, I feel it's government for sale to the highest bidder. Of the money for the money and by the money. Power to the parties, screw the citizens.

[seaweb11]

(jaknight)  "At my income level, or at any income level, I do not want any subsidies to help pay for it.
That would be a burden on other people who should not be forced to shoulder my responsibilities".

Stupid Canadian question again/
I'm not arguing here, just a question and an observation.
If you were to have a catastrophic illness or accident tomorrow, would you not get looked after in the US?

If you would get looked after...how would the Hospital ever get $100,000.00 - $250,000.00 from a guy who makes $12,000 a year? 

Here in the North at your income level you would pay "I'm guessing here" around $25.00 a month or less. 

Does anyone even know what the payments will be regarding income? I gather it's more the fear of your Govt #$%*ing it up?

[jaknight]

(jaknight)  "At my income level, or at any income level, I do not want any subsidies to help pay for it.
That would be a burden on other people who should not be forced to shoulder my responsibilities".

Stupid Canadian question again/
I'm not arguing here, just a question and an observation.
If you were to have a catastrophic illness or accident tomorrow, would you not get looked after in the US?

Perhaps and perhaps not.  I have seen people here who were refused medical care because they did not have insurance.

I have had to wait until everyone else was taken care of in an emergency center simply because others had insurance; I did not, even though I had enough cash to pay for everything.  And, I did pay for everything.

If you would get looked after...how would the Hospital ever get $100,000.00 - $250,000.00 from a guy who makes $12,000 a year? 

That quandary is brought up in my earlier statements and is ignored by people who like this bill.  The person who has paid perhaps $1,800 for their year of coverage has run up $200,000 of bills in the current year.  Who is going to pay for that other $198,200?

It is not right to forcibly take money out of one person's pocket and give it to someone else.  That is what is wrong here.  To force the legality of stealing (taking without consent) from one person, giving to another to use it, and others who may use, and leaving persons whom may never use it in their entire lives, but have been taken from all their lives without consent.

Here in the North at your income level you would pay "I'm guessing here" around $25.00 a month or less. 

Does anyone even know what the payments will be regarding income? I gather it's more the fear of your Govt #$%*ing it up?

I have read that for people in my income range it will work out to $994 per year, as I said earlier, around $90 to $100 per month, per person.  Got a wife.... double it.  She doesn't have a job and doesn't get Social Security?  Have you perhaps thought of living in a tent?

On Social Security? You don't get 52 weeks of pay.  Wake Up! You only get 48 weeks of pay.  You are paid 1 month short every year.

The point is still being missed.

We're going to trade off freedoms for money.

We keep thrashing our Constitution.  I don't want to leave that to my great grandchildren.

Don't think it will continue to grow from this?

Once upon a time I would buy brand new cars that did not have seat belts in them.  Eventually seat belts became mandatory (forced).  Of course, the car makers did not give them away free.  You had to pay for them, whether you wanted them or not (forced price).
Then, eventually, you had to use those seat belts, whether you wanted to or not (forced and controlled action).  Now, you are punished and fined for daring to want to ride in your car without being restrained.  How dare you want to ride in your car and feel a sense of unrestrained freedom?

   ~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~ ~

[HondaLover77]

Got reading some of the comments on here and I see alot of u don't like the system of govt. helping people, Now I feel like "white trash" because we don't have the income or cash to pay for our kids healthcare. It's not like we wanna be on it, we are still paying for it. But the cost of insurance is so dang high now we can't really afford to put them on his insurance. Heck with james having his heart attack even though very mild we got the bills from the hospital totoalling over bout 13,000.00. and that was just the hospital stay that did not include the heart cath and the stress tests, and his sleep apena tests that he has to go thru, he has gotta go back tonight, for a c pap test, chances are he will be on a c pap machine. So I am not ashamed to get help for my children, we have paid for it for so many years and when u need the help can't someone put away pride to get it? we did our children come first. when they come off medicade then we will find another route, since peachcare now is got people on a "waiting list" because the funds are running out. so it maybe that they go on his insurance, I still don't like the healthcare bill, it takes away our freedom of choice.

[SD750F]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That is what said in the Declaration of Independence...

And in the Constitution's Preamble it says:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I really hate it when people get it all wrong, or better yet, modify or quote out of context for their own purpose.

[Industrial Cafe]

you're not white trash dude, you're Joe America.
nobody can afford anything anymore.
I'm broke as #$%* and a drain on taxpayers, but it hasn't always been that way.

I would not make it in politics, I say a lot of things in jest, that sounds like I believe it my self.
people that don't know me think I'm a dick.

[SD750F]

So let have a show of hands...

How many here reading this thread in this forum have had their taxes increased? You all just filed, or are in the process of filing. So how many?

I will go further.

How many have had a tax increase without having an increase in declared income?

That is how the question should be asked.

[Industrial Cafe]

I don't have a job.

[Caaveman82]

...I don't like this new health care bill they are trying to push, it's not in the constitution...

Roads, schools, and police are not in the constitution, but you don't argue about those do you?

[Industrial Cafe]

i will if you want me to.

[HondaLover77]

...I don't like this new health care bill they are trying to push, it's not in the constitution...

Roads, schools, and police are not in the constitution, but you don't argue about those do you?

No I don't becuase the police protect you and the school's help our kids get a better education so they can be productive in life. I try to teach my kids respect and how to be a hard worker, I am not the high school graduate, i missed getting it by 5 freaking points. As far as the roads are concerned sometimes they need to just leave alone, I lived in Orlando for 21 years and they kept raising tolls to "improve the roads " guss what the roads still suck in orlando, was just there last week on family emergency, they didn't improve them they got worse.so sometimes they should just leave well enough alone.I live in a country town so roads don't make much of a diffrence to me dirt gravel or rocks is fine with me. Just gotta learn how to drive better on them. I just don't like the health care bill, I feel this govt is going communist on us, watch the news or cspan. look who they have in office it should tell you.

[HondaLover77]

I don't have a job.

Same here, I have looked but this small town there are not many to be had unless u know farm work off first hand or know how to ingrave granit or have a cdl to drive the granite trucks. That pretty much rules me out. So I stay home take care of my kids and my husband.

[Industrial Cafe]

I'm tryin'a get a job, but it's all tumbleweeds out there.