Topic: Healthcare Bill: Interesting Result

[Retro Rocket]

I see it now thanks. Though to me it is fact that a motorcycle does not pollute as much as an SUV. So I can see I was walking a tight line there, but I still think it's valid.

Can you show me some emissions test numbers? I would bet a LOT of money that a new Escalade with its fuel injection, engine management, PCV system, O2 sensors, and cats puts out SIGNIFICANTLY fewer harmful chemicals than a 32-year-old carburated motorcycle. Even if the SUV is using twice or three times the gasoline, I'd bet that the exhaust is still much much cleaner.

You post a question, complete with sarcasm, all to prove him wrong, then you name a pile of parts that we are all aware of, use  "significant" to add drama, and still produce no facts or proof of your own....   !!   Where are your test numbers....? If you think an Escalade has less of an environmental footprint than the 30+year old then you are delusional.

Mick

[Retro Rocket]

edit.

I hear you mate......


Mick

[Inigo Montoya]

solar efficiency has reached over 40% and now there are thin films, instead of massive panels, that can be applied to many surfaces. I read the 40% somewhere but I have not found it yet but these articles seem to show that the energy revolution is already here, people just have to embrace it.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/188098/solar_power_breakthrough_new_lowcost_solar_energy_may_replace_gas/index.html

http://cleantechnica.com/2009/01/19/solar-energy-breakthrough-could-cut-costs-by-more-than-50/

[BeSeeingYou]

Retro Rocket brings up a point that maybe is missing.  Environmental footprint.  While gallon for gallon a new SUV may burn cleaner than an old motorcycle there is the fact that it will likely burn thousands more gallons over it's lifetime.  Add the environmental cost of extracting, refining, and securing (militarily) that additional fuel and the footprint grows larger.  There is also the production and disposal of said SUV to be considered.

[traveler]

Security(militarily)....I think you have a point there.

If we start to run out of gas.....we could get deserpate and end up just taking it from someone. 

Hope not......but not really seeing a 100% effort to return to being energy dependant.

Could be those in power don't want that for one reason or another.


Of course any military action we take will have to be with Chiense approval, we are beholden to them now.

~Joe

[Laminar]

I see it now thanks. Though to me it is fact that a motorcycle does not pollute as much as an SUV. So I can see I was walking a tight line there, but I still think it's valid.

Can you show me some emissions test numbers? I would bet a LOT of money that a new Escalade with its fuel injection, engine management, PCV system, O2 sensors, and cats puts out SIGNIFICANTLY fewer harmful chemicals than a 32-year-old carburated motorcycle. Even if the SUV is using twice or three times the gasoline, I'd bet that the exhaust is still much much cleaner.

You post a question,

Yes.

complete with sarcasm,

No.

all to prove him wrong,

Mission accomplished

then you name a pile of parts that we are all aware of,

Because they were relevant to the topic Try having a discussion on carb tuning without mentioning any parts that we're all aware of

use  "significant" to add drama,

or "emphasis," as any good writer does

and still produce no facts or proof of your own....   !! Where are your test numbers....?

None required. I didn't post a fact requiring proof, I posted an inclination

If you think an Escalade has less of an environmental footprint than the 30+year old then you are delusional.

I purposely left out the environmental footprint aspect because it was irrelevant to the discussion. A Jeep Wrangler has a much smaller footprint than a Prius over each of their lifetimes. That still has no bearing on emissions, which is what we were talking about.

[Grnrngr]

Heh..I thought the discussion was Health Care...or the Health Care bill anyway...and while emissions are a factor, so are all the lubricating fluids a cage requires over a bike..not that many cage owners take the time to check or change their rear (or front) differential fluid....got power steering on yer bike? but none of that has much to do with Health Care or commies taking over he government..

[Inigo Montoya]

Yes lets not for get them damn commies!

[BeSeeingYou]

   

   
Here's a typical Republican solution looking backward to the "olden" days.  Chicken for check ups.        
Is it any wonder the Dems had to go it alone on the Health Care Bill?
I copied this out of a news article.

Sue Lowden, a Republican candidate challenging Majority Leader Harry Reid for his Nevada Senate seat is refusing to back down from an earlier suggestion that America consider a medical barter system as an alternative to current health care solutions.

On Monday Lowden took the idea one step further.

"Before we all started having health care, in the olden days, our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor," Lowden told a local news station. "They would say I'll paint your house."

Now, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has launched a new website to ridicule Lowden for her support of the bartering proposal.

The website, Chickens for Checkups, calls Lowden's health care barter system "an old-timey solution for a modern problem," and says that such a program would ask Americans to "barter with their doctors for health care with things like chickens and house painting," items she referenced on a local news program.

"Do you need medical care?" the site asks. "Write a letter to Sue Lowden with your ailment and what you're willing to trade, and we'll make sure she gets it. It's just like the good old days!"

[ev0lve]

Do you think she'd trade me a checkup and some dental work for an old PS2, a 76 GL1000 rear hub (good condition!) and an old MacBook battery that will still hold 3 hours of charge?

Cause I'd go for that!

[BeSeeingYou]

Do you think she'd trade me a checkup and some dental work for an old PS2, a 76 GL1000 rear hub (good condition!) and an old MacBook battery that will still hold 3 hours of charge?

Cause I'd go for that!

Just think what cool operation you could get for a sandcast wrinkle tank.

[ev0lve]

Do you think she'd trade me a checkup and some dental work for an old PS2, a 76 GL1000 rear hub (good condition!) and an old MacBook battery that will still hold 3 hours of charge?

Cause I'd go for that!

Just think what cool operation you could get for a sandcast wrinkle tank.

I'd keep the wrinkle tank for my health savings account 

[Caaveman82]

What's this thread about?   

[Frankenkit]

male bovine excrement.

[Caaveman82]

male bovine excrement.

Oh right, thanks Kit.