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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2010, 09:04:28 AM »
Oh it's about control.

I see. For a while there it really sounded like you were just worried how much you had to pay.

Sorry about that, my mistake.

Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2010, 09:04:42 AM »
If we do get attacked again at least it won't be an inside job.

Oh wait, different thread.
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« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2010, 09:06:32 AM »
Oh it's about control.

I see. For a while there it really sounded like you were just worried how much you had to pay.

Sorry about that, my mistake.

Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

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Good thing I am unemployed and going to school full time on government money then. Whew. Oh yeah I don't mind paying for it, you know, when I get a job and all.


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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2010, 09:06:38 AM »

As for intelligence of conservatives and liberals, I would not stand behind that if I were you. Many of the worlds smartest people would be labeled "liberal" and many of the dumbest would be "conservative". Sorry but Palin makes a box of rocks look smart and she is becoming the posterchild for a lot of conservatives. God help our country if she gets in office as it will go to hell almost overnight.

Thank you for your opinion.  However immature it may be.  Also let you in on a secret... there are a lot of smart conservatives out there too, and Sara Palin is not a poster child for anyone.
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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2010, 09:07:16 AM »
Some people are just not qualified to work anything other than a minimum wage job.
So what should happen with those people? Joe, you just don't get it and you apparently don't want to.
That's fine but remember that before you try to call people ignorant or stupid. Also before you try to imply anything about my work, I have worked 3 jobs at a time and spent years working almost 80 hours. I have worked many 20+ hour days. I have never had a lot of money and I can safely say things have been no worse under obama than they were under bush. I would have to say they are actually a bit better now.

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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2010, 09:07:22 AM »
Inside job?  hmmm....if they wanted to create war....don't you think they would have found a less costly way to do it?  There are many thigns that could be done to start it...


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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2010, 09:08:16 AM »
Oh it's about control.

I see. For a while there it really sounded like you were just worried how much you had to pay.

Sorry about that, my mistake.

Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

~Joe

Good thing I am unemployed and going to school full time on government money then. Whew. Oh yeah I don't mind paying for it, you know, when I get a job and all.


Don't worry it's the GI bill so I paid for it and earned the rest, honest.

lol

I wish you luck on the job search when it comes time.

The unemployment rate is going down.  Not because there is less people unemployed but because more people have given up looking for a job.
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« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2010, 09:08:33 AM »
... and Sara Palin is not a poster child for anyone.

Thank goodness for that.
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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2010, 09:09:28 AM »
Oh it's about control.

I see. For a while there it really sounded like you were just worried how much you had to pay.

Sorry about that, my mistake.

Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

~Joe

Good thing I am unemployed and going to school full time on government money then. Whew. Oh yeah I don't mind paying for it, you know, when I get a job and all.


Don't worry it's the GI bill so I paid for it and earned the rest, honest.

lol

I wish you luck on the job search when it comes time.

The unemployment rate is going down.  Not because there is less people unemployed but because more people have given up looking for a job.

Thank you! I am really looking forward to it.

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« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2010, 09:09:33 AM »
Some people are just not qualified to work anything other than a minimum wage job.
So what should happen with those people? Joe, you just don't get it and you apparently don't want to.
That's fine but remember that before you try to call people ignorant or stupid. Also before you try to imply anything about my work, I have worked 3 jobs at a time and spent years working almost 80 hours. I have worked many 20+ hour days. I have never had a lot of money and I can safely say things have been no worse under obama than they were under bush. I would have to say they are actually a bit better now.

I'm sorry to hear that you have to work that hard.  I wish you didn't have to.  I don't see it changing, as more and more are unemployed, and there is no disposable income for speople to spend anymore.

I hope things shape up for you, so that you can have some time for yourself.

~Joe

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« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2010, 09:12:33 AM »
Some people are just not qualified to work anything other than a minimum wage job.
So what should happen with those people? Joe, you just don't get it and you apparently don't want to.
That's fine but remember that before you try to call people ignorant or stupid. Also before you try to imply anything about my work, I have worked 3 jobs at a time and spent years working almost 80 hours. I have worked many 20+ hour days. I have never had a lot of money and I can safely say things have been no worse under obama than they were under bush. I would have to say they are actually a bit better now.

Obama's plan is to spend us out of a deficit... he has managed to double the debt in the first 6 months in office and will double it again before he gets out of office... how is he no worse then Bush?  The Bush bashing is getting old.  It has been a year and I see the economy line go down the proverbial s^$& hole.

Most people that work minimum wage jobs do it for 1 of 2 reasons

1) They like the job
2) They are too lazy to get a better job (and the qualifications to do so)

My sister went to college, took care of her kids and worked at a job, so don't tell me it can't be done.
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« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2010, 09:12:58 AM »
I jsut wonder with all the facotries closing and moving overseas, and regualtions making it harder and harder for businesses to stay open....where will people work?

If we continue to print more and more money, inflation will ensue....your money won't be worth squat.

How bad will it get before the EPA is closed and we go back to drilling for oil, making steel, and become industrialized again?  Because that's what it will take to get things moving again.  If all the jobs are in China, where will people in the US get money to spend?

We have done this to ourselves, people.  We could open the steel mills tomorrow....we jsut choose not to.  Nothing like kicking yourself in the ass huh?  Trying to save teh planet....meanwhile China is building factory after factory and not giving a damn about a "carbon footprint".

The American peopel have been sold a bill of goods.....and the time to pay the piper is about one year away, when everything is set to kick in.
 
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Re: Healthcare Bill: Interesting Result
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2010, 09:14:22 AM »
Oh it's about control.

I see. For a while there it really sounded like you were just worried how much you had to pay.

Sorry about that, my mistake.

Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

~Joe

Good thing I am unemployed and going to school full time on government money then. Whew. Oh yeah I don't mind paying for it, you know, when I get a job and all.


Don't worry it's the GI bill so I paid for it and earned the rest, honest.

lol

I wish you luck on the job search when it comes time.

The unemployment rate is going down.  Not because there is less people unemployed but because more people have given up looking for a job.

Thank you! I am really looking forward to it.

Unless you are being sarcastic, then bite me.  :D

No I am serious as a heart attack.  I won't go as low as to make fun of your job status.  The last tid bit was the reason I wished you luck.  ;)
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« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2010, 09:15:50 AM »
Right on. :)
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« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2010, 09:18:59 AM »
If this is the thinking prevalent in America, this country does not have much longer left.
Razor, some just are not smart enough to do a better paying job, you left them out.
Obviously there is no talking to brick walls here. razor and joe apparently want to move back to the 50s and refuse to see anything else. That is what is wrong with america. Not liberal/conservative or dem/repub. It is people so resistant to change, unless it is what THEY want, that all they can see is doom and gloom. So sad. Our forefathers would have been so disappointed.

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« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2010, 09:50:11 AM »

As for intelligence of conservatives and liberals, I would not stand behind that if I were you. Many of the worlds smartest people would be labeled "liberal" and many of the dumbest would be "conservative". Sorry but Palin makes a box of rocks look smart and she is becoming the posterchild for a lot of conservatives. God help our country if she gets in office as it will go to hell almost overnight.

Thank you for your opinion.  However immature it may be.  Also let you in on a secret... there are a lot of smart conservatives out there too, and Sara Palin is not a poster child for anyone.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeah,
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachmann
Joe the Plumber
Glen Beck
Druggie Limbaugh
Sean Hannity  Involved in a "charity" that raises money for the families of veterans but most of the money seems to go to "administrative " costs.
Newt Gingrich thrice married serial adulterer.
Mitch McConnell  sticking up for big banks and Wall Street opposing financial reform

Bill Kristol    Here is a quote from him in 2007 when Bush was going to veto expanding the Childrens health care proposal.  In anticipation of the veto, William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, had this to say: “First of all, whenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it’s a good idea. I’m happy that the president’s willing to do something bad for the kids.

Norman Podhoretz
Dick "Chicken Hawk" Cheney

These last three were leading cheerleaders for the war in Iraq and were just about 100% wrong in all their assumptions.
Smart conservatives leaders?  Name a few.  
It seems to be a movement made up of in parts by Birthers, Deathers, closeted self-loathing homosexuals, adulterers, ill informed Fox News hounds, and the KKK. ;D
 
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« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2010, 09:58:34 AM »
I jsut wonder with all the facotries closing and moving overseas, and regualtions making it harder and harder for businesses to stay open....where will people work?

If we continue to print more and more money, inflation will ensue....your money won't be worth squat.

How bad will it get before the EPA is closed and we go back to drilling for oil, making steel, and become industrialized again?  Because that's what it will take to get things moving again.  If all the jobs are in China, where will people in the US get money to spend?

We have done this to ourselves, people.  We could open the steel mills tomorrow....we jsut choose not to.  Nothing like kicking yourself in the ass huh?  Trying to save teh planet....meanwhile China is building factory after factory and not giving a damn about a "carbon footprint".

The American peopel have been sold a bill of goods.....and the time to pay the piper is about one year away, when everything is set to kick in.
 

Just seeing the results of 30 years of conservative economic policies that shifted our manufacturing sector overseas and also gutted banking regulation that helped lead to the latest economic meltdown.  This did not all just happen in the last year you know.

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« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2010, 10:27:46 AM »

As for intelligence of conservatives and liberals, I would not stand behind that if I were you. Many of the worlds smartest people would be labeled "liberal" and many of the dumbest would be "conservative". Sorry but Palin makes a box of rocks look smart and she is becoming the posterchild for a lot of conservatives. God help our country if she gets in office as it will go to hell almost overnight.

Thank you for your opinion.  However immature it may be.  Also let you in on a secret... there are a lot of smart conservatives out there too, and Sara Palin is not a poster child for anyone.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeah,
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachmann
Joe the Plumber
Glen Beck
Druggie Limbaugh
Sean Hannity  Involved in a "charity" that raises money for the families of veterans but most of the money goes to "administrative " costs.
Newt Gingrich thrice married serial adulterer.

Bill Kristol    Here is a quote from him in 2007 when Bush was going to veto expanding the Childrens health care proposal.  In anticipation of the veto, William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, had this to say: “First of all, whenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it’s a good idea. I’m happy that the president’s willing to do something bad for the kids.

Norman Podhoretz
Dick "Chicken Hawk" Cheney

These last three were leading cheerleaders for the war in Iraq and were just about 100% wrong in all their assumptions.
Smart conservatives leaders?  Name a few.  
It seems to be a movement made up of in large parts by Birthers, Deathers, closeted self-loathing homosexuals, adulterers, ill informed Fox News hounds, and the KKK. ;D
 

I would like to see a source for your claim about Sean Hannity and the charity in question.

Newt Gingrich had all the ethics charges leveled by the democratic side.  He is "reformed" but about as much as an ant is a reformed bird... it makes no sense.  You can be liberal and say you are conservative.

Limbaugh isn't going to live down his drug problem but it is funny how people are still trying to use it to discredit him even today... might as well use the fact of his hearing surgery.  Maybe he can't hear your points you make so well?

It is also typical with the vast amount of slander toward the conservative movement when the liberal democrats have no leg to stand on.  Racism, tax cheaters, adulterers, Obama fawns, and a population that only looks at how big the handout will be promised.

It's also funny how you call them by a liberal reference.  You would have made your point by using their correct names you know?
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« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2010, 11:19:21 AM »
While surely there are Democrats with ethical problems too it is usually the conservatives who are lecturing people about "values" while they disregard them in their own private lives.  Just as Limbaugh lectured about drug users and how they should all be put in jail.  Newt's problems have nothing to do with anything but himself.  He usually cheated on his wives with the next in line and he even served divorce papers on one while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer. There may be a second wife that it also happened to while in the hospital.  It was no liberal plot that caused his sleazy behavior. Go look it up.  All the while he was lecturing others about family values.

Dick Cheney  A man promoting and reveling in war, destruction, and torture all while profiting through connections with Haliburton.  Used 5 deferments to get out of serving himself.  One definition of a Chicken Hawk.

It's all about the hypocrisy.

 Sean Hannity
While there may not be anything illegal here it stinks a bit.  It is common for professional fundraisers to burn up 80% in administrative costs.  One give away is when charities use an outside fundraiser.  Here in Minnesota they have to disclose that by saying we are a professional fundraiser raising money for so and so.  When I hear that I hang up.

I lifted this straight out of a news article a few weeks ago and here is a link for another similar article. http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/44713
Freedom Concerts, Sean Hannity's scholarship charity for the children of fallen soldiers, has violated its charitable tax status, according to a Washington advocacy group.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington alleges that Hannity's Freedom Concerts has "engaged in deceptive and illegal marketing practices by suggesting that all concert ticket sale revenue goes directly to scholarships for children of killed and wounded service members." CREW and veterans group VoteVets have filed complaints with the IRS and the Federal Trade Commission about Freedom Concerts, Freedom Alliance, and Lt. Col. Oliver North.

The two groups hosted a joint press conference Monday to discuss their complaints. VoteVets Chair Jon Soltz questioned Freedom Concert's priorities. "It's appalling and absurd that... 80-90% of the money [raised] is going toward overhead, not scholarships," Soltz said.

"They've made statements that 100% of [all] funds go toward scholarships," said Melanie Sloan, the executive director of CREW. "This is the kind of deceptive marketing the FTC looks poorly upon."

Freedom Concerts events have been organized by Premier Marketing, according to conservative blogger Debbie Schlussel and CREW. Premier Marketing is operated by Duane Ward, the speaking engagement agent for both Sean Hannity and Oliver North, according to Schlussel.

According to CREW, Freedom Concerts donates some money to Freedom Alliance, an organization founded by North. He is now the group's honorary chairman.

A little more than a week ago, Schlussel called out Hannity's charity for what she described as a "huge scam":

    ...less than 20%-and in two recent years, less than 7% and 4%, respectively-of the money raised by Freedom Alliance went to these causes, while millions of dollars went to expenses, including consultants and apparently to ferry the Hannity posse of family and friends in high style. And, despite Hannity's statements to the contrary on his nationally syndicated radio show, few of the children of fallen soldiers got more than $1,000-$2,000, with apparently none getting more than $6,000, while Freedom Alliance appears to have spent tens of thousands of dollars for private planes.

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Freedom Alliance denied Schlussel's "false and malicious allegations" in a statement to The American Spectator:

    Freedom Alliance has never provided planes, hotels, cars, limos, or anything else to Sean. Sean gets nothing from Freedom Alliance except our gratitude for his personal generosity and for all he has done to help the troops and our organization. We have never had to ask Sean for anything, he always generously offers his help before we have a chance to ask him. But to be clear Sean pays for all his own transportation, hotels, and all related expenses for himself and his family and friends and staff, which over the years has added up to tens of thousands of dollars. He does not use any Freedom Alliance Funds or Concert funds in any way, period.

Last week, Media Matters reported that Schlussel's figures "check out," but witheld judgement because Freedom Alliance's mission is broader than just scholarships.


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« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2010, 12:17:02 PM »
Wait until the Health Care Bill goes into action. Then ask the same question and I bet the results will be different.

A lot of people are scared by all the talking heads saying it will be the end of the United States because everyone will be taxed to pay for this...

That would scare the crap out of anyone incapable of researching or actually being able to read for themselves. Americans generally are way too lazy and want everyone handed to them in a neat simple package with a couple words all being one or two syllables. And there is way too many willing to oblige this desire. From hyped up boob tube inciters, all the way to the pulpit on Sunday mornings...

We are going to start paying for this monster now and not see anything for another 4-5 years.  The reform now forces insurance companies to sell policies to patients with pre existing conditions AND COVER THE CONDITION.  Then it will induce a premium cap.  It isn't the cancer patients and patients with bad diseases that will make it collapse it will be the people that drop the insurance when they are healthy then buy a policy ONLY when they get sick.  The insurance company will not only be loosing money but will pretty much be forced out of the game all together. 



It clear you don't know much about the health care bill.  The pre-existing condition clause goes hand in hand with the required health insurance coverage buy in so people can't wait till they are sick before buying.  This was actually in a Republican proposal back in 1993 I think.  This is one part of the bill that does have wide support from Democrats and Republican lawmakers and the insurance industry.

What will make people buy insurance?.. the penalty?  Paying the penalty is cheaper then buying a policy.  What will motivate them to buy a policy is when they get sick.  I never heard anything about a waiting period either.  It is preposterous to think that the United States government could efficiently reform health care.  We are already recovering from a recession. The health care bill will end up crippling or even collapsing the economy.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they started a push to outlaw junk food, sugar, alcohol and motorcycles.  They are all bad for your health right?
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They will buy the insurance to have health care so they don't lose their home and future if a family member gets sick or has an accident.  There is a waiting period.  Consider that there has to be a significant number of pieces of legislation like this around the world.  If I was writing a bill I would have consulted them and put in the caveats necessary to enable the system to work.  The waiting period is one of them.

If you think people are dumb' you will have your opinions disavowed.  If you are of the belief that government can't do anything right you will have your dogma.  If you grew up under the influence of Reagan's 'government is the problem' you will see that the GWB administration counted on you believing this and provided bad government.  It is a case of failure = success.

You can tell me though, whether GM, Ford and Chrysler were private sector successes.  You can also tell us if the banking industry that flushed you down the sh*tter was private enterprise.  You can also tell us if all the corporations that moved off shore to beat taxes were great patriots who were forced out by government when those corporations operate in many other countries with laws more stringent that US laws.  You can tell me why private insurers are going to bankrupt with health care reform when they actually do operate in countries that have single-payer systems.

Free market Capitalism:  the religion that's going to bring freedom and prosperity to America.

I'd like to ask you a thousand questions about the views you express but I'm going to give you the last word here.  I'm going to walk across the road and talk to that fence post, it's more gratifying.  If you are going to respond then respond to this post by addressing the points in it, not by shifting the issues to some talking point.

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« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2010, 12:24:58 PM »
Ever since the first freedom concert was held the liberals have tried to discredit and slander it.  People talk about the concert as if it was a money making scheme.  Or an underhanded attempt to sway people into a political agenda.  For those who have actually attended a freedom concert they will know it is not the case.

While it is true that Premier collectibles is the agency that sells tickets, books and apparel it does not mean that they are part of the freedom alliance.  Also just because a company is making profit (like the parks or theaters holding the concert) doesn't mean that the freedom alliance is making profit.

All the "proof" you provided is just complaints and accusations.  None of it is fact.


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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2010, 04:18:04 PM »
WOW, there is so much bull#$%* and untruths in this thread it is scary. 
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Conservatives=people are free to sink or swim on their own, and should be help responsible for the decisions in life that they make.

Problem is they also take down a lot of others and couldn't care less.

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Ask yourself one question....

Where I work....the owner....he provides me a job......if we continue to try to tax him....at what point will I lose my job becaseu it isn't cost effective to keep me around?

Try looking outside the US Joe, this statement is wrong, our healthcare system is far from perfect but no one is loosing jobs and the insurance companies are doing just fine....Too much GREED in the US, thats half the problem.

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Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be a career.  People have to WORK,WORK,WORK to have the same as "the joneses"....you can't give someone prosperity.  If minimum wage goes to 15 bucks an hour....Big Mac's will cost 10 bucks each....no one will buy them, and everyone gets laid off.

More untruths, minimum wage here is around 15 an hour and a big mac is just 3.50. You miss the point Joe, those Minimum wage jobs will always be there, so someone will always have to do them regardless. If everyone had a good job who do you think would do the menial jobs?  They would still exist....

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WE WILL BE ATTACKED AGAIN....you can count on it.

and when it happens, people will be crying out saying "why didn't you do something about it?"

And we will say....."we tried, but you said stop being mean to those poor peace loving muslims".

~Joe

Well maybe the US shouldn't have armed them in the first place, The US gave weapons to Afghanistan to fight the Russians with absolutely no foresight and now its biting them on the arse......surprised.....

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I'll let you in on a secret....sshhhh!  Bush....he isn't in charge anymore......Barack Obama is.....in fact, he has ben for over a year.....and even though he said he would pull the troops out in 60 days...he didn't.....and in fact he INCREASED troops in Afghanistan.....or and get this.....Al-Quieda actually TRAINED in Iraq......i can't beleive the audacity of these muslims to work together....I can't understand why we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan....I mean Obama promised he would bring all the troops home....why did he lie to me?

~Joe


Why did Bush and his cronies lie through their arses to go in there in the first place, there is still an almighty mess that needs to be cleaned up, you can't just decimate a place then cut and run....

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Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

Wrong again......look at the rest of the world Joe, its just not like that at all.

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and Sara Palin is not a poster child for anyone.

Yes she is, she is the poster child for stupidity.... ::)

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Inside job?  hmmm....if they wanted to create war....don't you think they would have found a less costly way to do it?  There are many thigns that could be done to start it...

Yep, going into Iraq is a perfect example of that...weapons of mass destruction....cough...cough ....bull#$%*.

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My sister went to college, took care of her kids and worked at a job, so don't tell me it can't be done.
You miss the point, those jobs will always be there, someone will always have to do them....

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I jsut wonder with all the facotries closing and moving overseas, and regualtions making it harder and harder for businesses to stay open....where will people work?

Blame greedy big business for that mate, its all in the name of the friggin dollar. China is fast becoming established and when it gets to the stage that it costs the same to manufacture things in the US it will all go full circle, its starting to happen already.

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Just seeing the results of 30 years of conservative economic policies that shifted our manufacturing sector overseas and also gutted banking regulation that helped lead to the latest economic meltdown.  This did not all just happen in the last year you know.

+1,000,000

Some of you guys really need to look outside the US, yes there is a really big world out there and there are lots of the things that are being ridiculed here working just fine elsewhere. There is a common thread here that just keeps being overlooked in the rush to blame the government for everything and that is GREED, if more of us were concerned about the fate of our fellow country men instead of money or greed,then we would all live in a better place.

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Re: Healthcare Bill: Interesting Result
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2010, 04:25:27 PM »
A world without greed?  Let me know when that happens!

~Joe

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Re: Healthcare Bill: Interesting Result
« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2010, 04:27:23 PM »
WOW, there is so much bull#$%* and untruths in this thread it is scary. 
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Conservatives=people are free to sink or swim on their own, and should be help responsible for the decisions in life that they make.

Problem is they also take down a lot of others and couldn't care less.

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Ask yourself one question....

Where I work....the owner....he provides me a job......if we continue to try to tax him....at what point will I lose my job becaseu it isn't cost effective to keep me around?

Try looking outside the US Joe, this statement is wrong, our healthcare system is far from perfect but no one is loosing jobs and the insurance companies are doing just fine....Too much GREED in the US, thats half the problem.

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Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be a career.  People have to WORK,WORK,WORK to have the same as "the joneses"....you can't give someone prosperity.  If minimum wage goes to 15 bucks an hour....Big Mac's will cost 10 bucks each....no one will buy them, and everyone gets laid off.

More untruths, minimum wage here is around 15 an hour and a big mac is just 3.50. You miss the point Joe, those Minimum wage jobs will always be there, so someone will always have to do them regardless. If everyone had a good job who do you think would do the menial jobs?  They would still exist....

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WE WILL BE ATTACKED AGAIN....you can count on it.

and when it happens, people will be crying out saying "why didn't you do something about it?"

And we will say....."we tried, but you said stop being mean to those poor peace loving muslims".

~Joe

Well maybe the US shouldn't have armed them in the first place, The US gave weapons to Afghanistan to fight the Russians with absolutely no foresight and now its biting them on the arse......surprised.....

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I'll let you in on a secret....sshhhh!  Bush....he isn't in charge anymore......Barack Obama is.....in fact, he has ben for over a year.....and even though he said he would pull the troops out in 60 days...he didn't.....and in fact he INCREASED troops in Afghanistan.....or and get this.....Al-Quieda actually TRAINED in Iraq......i can't beleive the audacity of these muslims to work together....I can't understand why we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan....I mean Obama promised he would bring all the troops home....why did he lie to me?

~Joe


Why did Bush and his cronies lie through their arses to go in there in the first place, there is still an almighty mess that needs to be cleaned up, you can't just decimate a place then cut and run....

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Never fear friend....YOU will be paying it too!  In fact, you will be lucky if you still have a job, after your boss gets taxed to the max.

Wrong again......look at the rest of the world Joe, its just not like that at all.

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and Sara Palin is not a poster child for anyone.

Yes she is, she is the poster child for stupidity.... ::)

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Inside job?  hmmm....if they wanted to create war....don't you think they would have found a less costly way to do it?  There are many thigns that could be done to start it...

Yep, going into Iraq is a perfect example of that...weapons of mass destruction....cough...cough ....bull#$%*.

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My sister went to college, took care of her kids and worked at a job, so don't tell me it can't be done.
You miss the point, those jobs will always be there, someone will always have to do them....

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I jsut wonder with all the facotries closing and moving overseas, and regualtions making it harder and harder for businesses to stay open....where will people work?

Blame greedy big business for that mate, its all in the name of the friggin dollar. China is fast becoming established and when it gets to the stage that it costs the same to manufacture things in the US it will all go full circle, its starting to happen already.

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Just seeing the results of 30 years of conservative economic policies that shifted our manufacturing sector overseas and also gutted banking regulation that helped lead to the latest economic meltdown.  This did not all just happen in the last year you know.

+1,000,000

Some of you guys really need to look outside the US, yes there is a really big world out there and there are lots of the things that are being ridiculed here working just fine elsewhere. There is a common thread here that just keeps being overlooked in the rush to blame the government for everything and that is GREED, if more of us were concerned about the fate of our fellow country men instead of money or greed,then we would all live in a better place.

Mick


Oh yeah....well is Oz is so great, why do bike parts cost so much? ;D

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Re: Healthcare Bill: Interesting Result
« Reply #74 on: April 15, 2010, 04:31:12 PM »
Oh yeah....well is Oz is so great, why do bike parts cost so much? ;D

... respond to this post by addressing the points in it, not by shifting the issues to some talking point.

Sorry it just seemed appropriate.   EDIT:   :D So no one gets angry.
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