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Offline Burnboy

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Weird running problem with 350f
« on: April 23, 2010, 12:47:41 PM »
So i put my new chain on today and lined everything up. The tire spins freely, chain tension is good. But when I start the bike up and put it in first, with the back tire in the air, it starts bucking and struggling. Its as if the chain is tight in spots, but its not its perfectly even, brand new. What could be causing this?

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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2010, 12:49:27 PM »
Ok the video is horrible but the bike starts jumping around a bit and acts like it is struggling to pull the chain at times. But the whole time the rpms are holding steady. Theres is a bit of the rattling noise coming from the engine case as well.
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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 12:55:03 PM »
Can't tell anything from that video.

What happens if you open the throttle a little to bring the revs up?

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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 01:26:26 PM »
it smooths out a bit around 2000 rpms , doesn't jump anymore but can still feel it loping a bit
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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2010, 01:35:00 PM »
Hard to tell from the video but I would suspect a possible tuning issue, not the chain.  Carbs out of sync maybe?  Or maybe its nothing.  Most bikes buck and snort when running just on the idle circuit at closed throttle and in gear. 
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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2010, 02:18:27 PM »
I my adjusted my idle screws and it seems to have calmed down a bit I think that was it, synching them will probably eliminate it, thanks
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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 05:19:40 PM »
The wheel is going to bounce around because it has play in the chain.  A chain that is properly adjusted has some play in it, and without any drag on it, will bounce around.

While I have the floor, I would ask if you replaced the sprockets as well.  Chain and sprockets wear together and NEED to be replaced together.
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Re: Weird running problem with 350f
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2010, 07:01:55 AM »
The jerking is normal in my experience. There's always some slack in the primary chain, geartrain, sprocket spline, and final drive chain. At low RPM the engine doesn't turn smoothly like an electric motor: the crank jerks "forward" with each power stroke and slows down considerably between them. The rear wheel and all the slack in the drive will jerk around oscillating in response to the engine's erratic instantaneous RPM. You can probably find a low RPM that excites this oscillation best, causing a dramatic wheel jerking and chain slapping.
At higher revs this crank speedup/slowdown alternation happens at a frequency above resonance in the wheel/drivetrain system.
With the wheel on the ground its motion is limited to whatever rotation speed it has, it can't jerk around freely. If you look at a lot of bikes on tghe highway you'll see a few where the chain is whipping pretty wildly although the bike is cruising at constant speed - the chain's resonant frequency happens to be the same as the engine's power pulses. Big singles and V-twins do this more than fours or smaller displacement bikes where the cruising RPM is well above the resonance area.