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Re: Found a hot motor'd bike, what do you guys think...
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2010, 10:13:55 PM »
Did you rev it over 7,000 rpm..??

tach is dead but thats were it picks up the slack (over a stock bike anyways)

I am going to test ride it again one more time. No cash is handed over yet so I am still clear to back out if I wanted.
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Re: Found a hot motor'd bike, what do you guys think...
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2010, 10:18:18 PM »
Were you testing the bike at higher elevation? If it wasn't pinging, it didn't need higher octane.
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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2010, 10:23:39 PM »
3334 feet above sea level. I did not notice any pinging. Another test ride is for sure in order.I pulled the plugs on 1 and 4 and they looked alright.

I dont like how long it seemed to get up and go. It might be a characteristic of how that motor is set up. Hmm...
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« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2010, 10:38:48 PM »
There is a rule of thumb, something like every 1000 feet of elevation = 3% loss of power, due to the change in air density. (I may be wrong on the actual numbers; corrections welcomed).  Around 3000' is where I have always noticed the change, and the higher you go from there, the more the power loss.
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« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2010, 10:56:11 PM »

I dont like how long it seemed to get up and go. It might be a characteristic of how that motor is set up. Hmm...

If the bike DOES have a performance cam, the power will come on later in the RPM range than you are used to, then tend to build suddenly.
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« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2010, 10:57:42 PM »
True. around 10% could be large enough to make a big difference. I also forgot my helmet so it was a bit harder to notice, well everything. I found it odd that they left the stock airbox but it does have a K&N filter in it.

At this point I still plan on picking it up. I could always drop the pipes to check the exhaust port.
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« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2010, 11:00:46 PM »
What 754 was asking about 7k rpm; that's about the point my bike starts to pull, then the FUN starts!!
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Re: Found a hot motor'd bike, what do you guys think...
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2010, 11:00:53 PM »
I also left Valley Cycles a message. Maybe they still remember the bike and will get back to me. How cool would that be!


I might bring along a working tach just to check. The PO PO said it had a mild cam in it as he did not want to blow it up.
I found a picture on their website of the bike doing a burn out. So the power must be there somewhere...
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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2010, 11:46:11 PM »
CHECK COMPRESSION!

I know you got a 'feel' for it as being fine, but may as well check it before you buy it.  
Needs to be fairly consistent, close in numbers, across all bores, north of 120psi.

If the compression is low that could cause a noteworthy loss of power.
The compression gauge is cheap, you probably already have one.

Is it stock points or electronic ignition?  Can you pop off the points cover and check the
points condition?  

I bought a Daytona from Colorado at 5000ft, and had to rejet it when it was delivered here to California at sea level due to thin air in that 'mile high' city of Denver.

Since you have talked to both prior owners, ask yourself this:
1) did the PO's PO say, when the bike was 'torn down then rebuilt for a show bike' anything about carb rejet?

2) did either one a them fellers tell you about a carb rejet?

3) and based on those answers -- DO THE TWO PO'S LIVE AT THE SAME ALTITUDE?

I would assess, if in fact they DID rejet, did they rejet at that same altitude?  

Because it just seems, as you mentioned or seemed to say that both the PO and the PO's PO were 'hanging around Valley Cycles in the day' that -- both them two dudes ARE AT THE SAME ALTITUDE.

So my point is -- surely they rejetted the carbs for them mods.   And it sounds like the PO and the PO's PO both live in that same area?  

So the altitude issue may have been done away with by the rejet they did for the mods.

And besides, wouldn't the bike have been set up at the Honda dealer for that higher altitude.
A Honda sold in Denver in the 1970s and jetted during the prep for a sale in Denver would be way too lean here in California at sea level.  But the selling shop takes care of that in the prep prior to a sale.

My point is I don't think the altitude issue is an issue AT ALL as a possible explanation of low power, unless the bike was jetted at a much lower or higher altitude, and then somehow relocated to 3334 without a rejet, and from your description it sounds like it's been in that area for a while, if not its entire life.

I would call the PO and PO's PO if needed and clarify the carb work and what altitude it was done at -- knowing it will allow you to say "Okay, the thing is down on power, I know it's not the carbs needing to be rejet for the altitude."

I just don't think altitude is likely an issue, there have been 2 different times this bike's carbs COULD HAVE BEEN set up for that altitude, once by the dealer when new, and once by the PO's PO during his rebuild.

Check compression.  I know you said "Lots of compression" above, but you really need to know
from a gauge.

You also said above:

" Did you rev it over 7,000 rpm..??

tach is dead but thats were it picks up the slack (over a stock bike anyways)"



So you have gotten the revs up there, and to quote you,
"I dont like how long it seemed to get up and go".

Sounds dicey.  Then again, it's only got a 'mild cam', stock carbs (not flatslides or bigger mm carbs), and the stock airbox, so perhaps the expectation is too high.  

The 87  vs 91 octane is not going to boost power *that* much but I would try to eliminate that, too.
Good luck, you still have 2 days before payday, but if it's a weak motor now (and it shouldn't be with them mods unless something's wrong) it will be a weak motor come Monday, and your $1800 may get added on to......

p.s. the fact that the seller told you "Ah, oh, well, um -- let's see -- so it feels a bit sluggish to you -- OH, THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I'VE GOT 87 IN THERE."  Nah, sounds dismissive, sounds like he's trying to minimize it.   (okay so I get suspicious sometimes)

Also that 'getting all depressed to see it sold' you got from the PO's PO -- are the PO and the PO's PO good friends, is he trying to help your seller get the deal done?  (Tarnation I'm cynical.  Or a cautious buyer who's been done that way myself too many times by sellers???   Hmmm......)

G'luck and have fun.
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Re: Found a hot motor'd bike, what do you guys think...
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2010, 12:40:22 AM »
I am glad that I have 2 days to think of what to test. I am also going to bring it out to a longer road (with a helmet) to really ring it out.

I will check the comp. before I hand over the dough. It has electronic ignition and going by the wire its probably a Dyna unit. Dont know if its the newer solid plate style or the older circuit board style.

The current owner knows nothing about it. Other than "it was built up by the P.O. He got it and it sat at his house for 2 years. I asked what grade gas was in there and he said 87. He did not seem dismissive, he just did not know any details. Or even know what 836 meant.  ::) "Is that good??" All the info I got was from the PO PO.


Its also possible that the "lack" in power is my own perception and that the bike functions as intended. For what its worth I also made sure it was not blowing any smoke under load or when he started it up. Inside of the pipe was not oily to the fingers either.

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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2010, 08:25:02 AM »
I have had a hi compression, bigbore, cammed 750 with stock carbs that had nothing under 5K, it was a drag around town... but man did it go once the revs got up.
 I think PD carbs with a pump will help that..
 
 My last motor with an RC cam, bigbore , and Webers, has waaaaaayyyyy better midrange, in fact starts pulling hard at 4K.

 I am thinking, correct me if I am wrong, that if they wenr a bit crazy on the porting, it wont pull very good at low/mid rpms..

 Wind it out, see how it pulls, see how you like it.. if it puts a big sh!t eating grin on your face that you cant wipe of, it may be for you... keep in mind though.. that it is easier to get tickets, and hard to putt around slow..
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« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2010, 06:41:06 PM »
Shes hoooooommmme.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

She will get a flat seat and euro bars Also ditching the windscreen.

2 things are causing the bike to be slower than it should. First of all the front brake was dragging bad and its running too lean. Both easy fixes. Choked it and got it "right" a few times and she goes!



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« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2010, 06:48:37 PM »
Congrats!
It will look much better w/the fairing off and a flat seat.
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« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2010, 07:28:52 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2010, 09:08:01 PM »
Cool, goodonya..
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« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2010, 09:27:09 PM »
Now we need to talk him into joining the Weber-loving SH!T EATING GRIN Club!!! ;)
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« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2010, 11:50:37 PM »
Now we need to talk him into joining the Weber-loving SH!T EATING GRIN Club!!! ;)

Nah, webbers are old hat now.....fuel injection is all the rage..... ;D

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2010, 02:37:29 AM »
Well done mate, it looks fantastic! ;D
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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2010, 04:50:46 AM »
Congrats!
It will look much better w/the fairing off and a flat seat.
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2010, 04:59:57 AM »
Is it just me who thinks that seat is off an 'Eddie Lawson Replica' Kawasaki ?

I quite like the way it looks with the fairing; I realise it clashes with the rest of the styling but the look is very '80s.'

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« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2010, 05:15:03 AM »
Is it just me who thinks that seat is off an 'Eddie Lawson Replica' Kawasaki ?

Yeah mate, or a GS Suzuki maybe? ;D
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« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2010, 07:36:04 PM »
Hey, if I could find a pair of decent webers...

It IS very 80's and I think its pretty cool but it just ain't my cup of tea so to speak. I am going though it some more right now so I will have some more photos in a bit. The head gasket is THICK.

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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2010, 07:48:26 PM »
Nice score!

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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2010, 07:59:18 PM »
Wanna race Scottly?  ;D
Uh, I would, but I have an unfair advantage, since my bike only weighs about 420 pounds last time I checked. I wouldn't want you to be disappointed with your new bike! ; :D
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« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2010, 08:23:39 PM »
Wanna race Scottly?  ;D
Uh, I would, but I have an unfair advantage, since my bike only weighs about 420 pounds last time I checked. I wouldn't want you to be disappointed with your new bike! ; :D


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