Topic: Norwegian cafe.. Oil tank in the swingarm....

[Laminar]

Looks great, subscribing! Can't wait to see the fuel injection working.

[lordmember1969]

Looks great, subscribing! Can't wait to see the fuel injection working.

Thank you:) Looking forward to start testing it. But needs to get everything else sorted out first..

[HedNut]

Awesome LM!! Can't wait to see this proceed!....Cheers!

[haggeo]

wow, lots of good ideas here!

[lordmember1969]

Is this cool or what:)??


Made by Frankenstuff:)

[HedNut]

GORGEOUS!

[lordmember1969]

Want to have the oil reservoir incorporated into the swingarm
It will hold 2 litres of oil, so will add more by adding an extra oilfilter hidden under the engine plus an oilcooler up front:)
 

Anyone know what to use to seal an alloy tank?

Thanks

[Flying J]

your not going to weld it? 

[lordmember1969]

your not going to weld it?  

Yes I am:) But just in case? Hot oil penetrates if there is any holes.. Was thinking of a tank sealer or radiator sealer, but not sure if it sticks to alloy, end resists hot oil??`

[wannabridin]

have you considered using a fuel tank sealer?  i know they make some epoxy based ones and others like the Kreem brand...  i know that if you have hot oil it will easily penetrate a small hole in aluminum.  maybe do a pressure test first with the swingarm underwater to try to find any pores?  that's a good start

[lordmember1969]

have you considered using a fuel tank sealer?  i know they make some epoxy based ones and others like the Kreem brand...  i know that if you have hot oil it will easily penetrate a small hole in aluminum.  maybe do a pressure test first with the swingarm underwater to try to find any pores?  that's a good start

Yes.. god idea:) Will do a pressure test.. And try to find a tank sealer for alloy..

Thanks

[lordmember1969]

http://www.kbs-coatings.com/Tank-Sealers_c_7.html

http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm#

Anybody tried one of these?

[Retro Rocket]

Lots of people make alloy tanks for fuel in race cars and some road cars, i would just get it welded by someone that builds tanks and completely forget about a liner. I don't think it will be hard to weld that tank shut and oil tight..

Mick

[wannabridin]

Lots of people make alloy tanks for fuel in race cars and some road cars, i would just get it welded by someone that builds tanks and completely forget about a liner. I don't think it will be hard to weld that tank shut and oil tight..

Mick

x2.  i was just going with the sealer in case he couldn't quite get all the welds right, or if there was a very small amount of micro sized pores.  you'd have to pressurize it pretty well to test it properly, as a minor amount of pressure won't do you any good to try to get a micro-pinhole to start bubbling.  will you be running synthetic or standard oil?

[lordmember1969]

Lots of people make alloy tanks for fuel in race cars and some road cars, i would just get it welded by someone that builds tanks and completely forget about a liner. I don't think it will be hard to weld that tank shut and oil tight..

Mick

x2.  i was just going with the sealer in case he couldn't quite get all the welds right, or if there was a very small amount of micro sized pores.  you'd have to pressurize it pretty well to test it properly, as a minor amount of pressure won't do you any good to try to get a micro-pinhole to start bubbling.  will you be running synthetic or standard oil?

My Friend who helps me out with the welding is a professional welder, he does it for a living:) But wants a sealer just in case.. Think I will run standard oil? You think it matter?


Thanks:)

[Retro Rocket]

One of the reasons i am not too keen on the sealer is that if any comes off it could easily end up blocking a gallery, wrecking your engine.
After all, oil is the enemy of most coatings....

Mick

[lordmember1969]

One of the reasons i am not too keen on the sealer is that if any comes off it could easily end up blocking a gallery, wrecking your engine.
After all, oil is the enemy of most coatings....

Mick

You are right Will pressuretest it, and go without sealer..

Thanks:)

[wannabridin]

just make sure when they weld that the fill/drain plug is pulled so you can vent.  i'd hate to hear about someone getting hurt from weld fume build up or some pressure release.

i agree with RR, oil seems to eat away everything it touches over time, especially when it's hot.  if you can magnaflux the part, you can be doubly sure there's no pinholes, but that's just the engineer talking in me 


as to the standard vs. synthetic, that's a long winded debate with no apparent winner.  i'm a dealer for Amsoil, and I only run it in my newer bikes since their sealing capabilities are newer and better.  synthetic has a "nice" ability to seep where you didn't think it could, because it does it's job so well, that it can flow out even between gaskets torqued properly.  just run a good synthetic blend designed for motorcycles and you'll have the best of both worlds.  will you run an oil cooler bypass?

[lordmember1969]

just make sure when they weld that the fill/drain plug is pulled so you can vent.  i'd hate to hear about someone getting hurt from weld fume build up or some pressure release.

i agree with RR, oil seems to eat away everything it touches over time, especially when it's hot.  if you can magnaflux the part, you can be doubly sure there's no pinholes, but that's just the engineer talking in me 


as to the standard vs. synthetic, that's a long winded debate with no apparent winner.  i'm a dealer for Amsoil, and I only run it in my newer bikes since their sealing capabilities are newer and better.  synthetic has a "nice" ability to seep where you didn't think it could, because it does it's job so well, that it can flow out even between gaskets torqued properly.  just run a good synthetic blend designed for motorcycles and you'll have the best of both worlds.  will you run an oil cooler bypass?

Plan is to run an oil cooler bypass upfront, a bigger spin on oilfilter there and an extra oilfilter located under the swingarm to add extra capacity on the return line:) That should give me enough capacity??

[wannabridin]

i would hope so!!      have you considered maybe upping the size of your lines as well?  with a bigger ID on your oil lines, you could squeeze just a bit more in there.  and i take it there's no deeper oil pans out there for these old girls, since it's a dry sump huh?

[voxonda]

Actually there are deeper oil pans, I bought one from one of the guys here on the forum.


Rob

[wannabridin]

oh wow, what company makes that??  i'd love to throw one on my build, just to aid in some cooling and capacity!!

*edit* i did an ebay search and found these: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=cb750+oil+pan&_sacat=See-All-Categories

woudl one of the late models work?  i read somewhere on here that most of the cb's, even late models, used the same oil pan bolt pattern, just some were deeper than others.  thoughts?

[lordmember1969]

Actually there are deeper oil pans, I bought one from one of the guys here on the forum.


Rob

I want one:) Where can i get one? 

[lordmember1969]

oh wow, what company makes that??  i'd love to throw one on my build, just to aid in some cooling and capacity!!

*edit* i did an ebay search and found these: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=cb750+oil+pan&_sacat=See-All-Categories

woudl one of the late models work?  i read somewhere on here that most of the cb's, even late models, used the same oil pan bolt pattern, just some were deeper than others.  thoughts?

Anyone know if the hondamatic oilpan will fit the F?

[Retro Rocket]

With a bigger sump, is it possible to make one of these bikes a wet sump arrangement...?

Mick