Topic: Is this a forum where we help folks?

[scrapvalue]

Nothin wrong with being a new guy....or not knowing nothin'....just don't do it with attitude. ...I think that's what people are saying...........IMHO

Steve

That's cool, but it can be said for the ol' guys also.
I think attitude is a perceived thing though.
It is so hard to put things in print and not have them misinterpreted.
Just have some patience with the new guys and you will find a lot less attitude in their following posts.

IMHO

[754]

I will try to explain a point I was trying to make..
 Someone offers their opinion on a how much should I (OP)pay for this hopped up bike. Correct me if I wrong about this but I believe they mentioned buying 100 + bikes in 3 or 4 years. Unless they kept them all, it sounds like a dealer to me.. and dealers have to BUY RIGHT to make a profit,
 So in my opinion a person buying a single bike to KEEP  for them, is not the same as buying right. Also if you bought that many, I am sure you passed on a few, that was not mentioned.

 Back to the CB 750, its a bike in high demand, can stand basic hopping up with good deal of relability left in it. I am suggesting it being hopped up wont hurt it in a lot of cases. They are still in demand if in good running shape..
 Anyway you will quickly get the feel of the board and decide if you fit in or not.. Welcome aboard..

[scrapvalue]

If anyone here is familiar with the Jockey Journal . . . Dragon would have cut this guy off at the knees.

Who are you talking about?

[scrapvalue]

I will try to explain a point I was trying to make..
 Someone offers their opinion on a how much should I (OP)pay for this hopped up bike. Correct me if I wrong about this but I believe they mentioned buying 100 + bikes in 3 or 4 years. Unless they kept them all, it sounds like a dealer to me.. and dealers have to BUY RIGHT to make a profit,
 So in my opinion a person buying a single bike to KEEP  for them, is not the same as buying right. Also if you bought that many, I am sure you passed on a few, that was not mentioned.

 Back to the CB 750, its a bike in high demand, can stand basic hopping up with good deal of relability left in it. I am suggesting it being hopped up wont hurt it in a lot of cases. They are still in demand if in good running shape..
 Anyway you will quickly get the feel of the board and decide if you fit in or not.. Welcome aboard..

I guess asking questions instead of jumping to conclusions is a lesson we can all learn.

[scottly]

Personally, I am ready to let this thread die, and the OP has already stated the same. There have been lessons learned by all of us, I hope.
Scott

[scrapvalue]

Personally, I am ready to let this thread die, and the OP has already stated the same. There have been lessons learned by all of us, I hope.
Scott

I can appreciate that, but the only way it will "die", is by people to quit posting on it.
If someone has something to say, they will.
Buy unfortuanatly, people who don't have anything to say will say it anyway.

This post may have been a prime example of that.

[BeSeeingYou]

I like cake.

[scottly]

Come on guys, please. This is open forum south side stuff....

[Spanner 1]

Mr. C..... you got imediate, excellent advise and responses on your HM341 question.... to the point of one guy going to his garage and taking photos of exactly what he was refering to and posting the pics.  So yes you got help from this forum.  Next time I see a post from you it's on a question of a bike being worth $2k or not.  Instead of a concise reply you chose to make a very long, rambling post, used capitol letters, red ink(!) and kept it up for several replies...... shows bully pulpit tactic from the get-go. Not very nice for a new guy we know nothing about. In said post you state ' bought 100's of bikes'... then you post a question about oil tanks which was replied to immediatly and civilly, except for one member who  later apoligised ( I had defended you )...... I don't see any reason of yours to start a thread that suggests that help is not available here.......

[ChortlingSandcaster]

As far as learning things about your Sandcast there may be more info and help over here.   http://cb750sandcastonly.com/smf_forum/index.php

That is a great tip!   I looked at it.  Before you read the rest here, I really thank you for looking out.  I very much appreciate it.


But I SPECIFICALLY stayed away from that site. 

I found out with another bike I had, another coveted classic bike, about 2 1/2 years ago, that when you go to one of them 'specialists' sites on the web -- some of the folks are just too durned overbearing with what you SHOULD do and what you SHOULDN'T do with that precious bike.  "Dont do this, its not right its a classic" or "if you dont do it this way your an idiot" kind of over-enthusiastic b.s.

I now only go to generalist sites, like I thought this one sounded -- I do NOT want to deal with people freaking out when you come at the bike with the attitude "it is a classic yes but it is just a motorcycle."

Them sites that have aficionados for that ONE model -- they treat that model like it is their firstborn child cant do no wrong and like you are just a GUARDIAN to that precious bike.  F that.   Its a bike.

I originally came to this site couple weeks back because I thought "okay, sohc4 forum, thats GENERAL!  No one trying to be my Dutch Uncle whilst I have some fun with this one."

Them sites CRAMP YOUR STYLE.  You feel like you're about to pop your girlfriends cherry and her dad's standing right there with a scatter gun pointed on you.  NOT FUN.

Them overzealous types RUIN IT.  I stay far away from them sites that wanna try boss you saying "well there are experts on here that know FAR more than you you dont know nothin so do what they tell you" kind of carp.  NO FING WAY dudes.

[ChortlingSandcaster]

I think that maybe coming on here and giving advice on a bike then admitting that you know #$%* all has gotten you in a bit of trouble. The majority of guys on this forum are great and only to willing to help anyone with these bikes. I think your comments about "Honda knew what it was doing and an altered engine will never be as reliable" didn't help either. There are some amazing guys here producing modern parts for our engines, billet blocks, modern alloy pistons, heavy duty engine chains, improved guides and more and i was going to comment in that thread because i am building a 1000cc engine that i am expecting to be better than original in almost every way, now it is costing a pretty packet but thats my prerogative. Settle down mate and enjoy the wealth of information,this is really the best resource on the planet for these bikes and after a wobbly start you are more than welcome to be part of this eclectic community. I hope nothing here has offended you as that was not my intention.....

Mick

Mick, thanks you have not offended me.

I DO have some experience with bikes. 

Truth is I know a lot of stuff someone with no experience can use.  And I said the truth -- people don't like buying modded bikes.

That is *generally* the truth.

Not *always* the truth.

Now I want to show you that I am a rational person.  I am going to point out an exception to the 'most buyers want an un-modded bike' -- there is a '73 cb750 with 49,781 miles that just sold on ebay for......$4500!!!   A 73 with HIGH miles.   AND IT IS HOT RODDED:

1973 Honda CB750 K3 CB 750Research 1973 Honda CB
Ended: May 08, 201010:48:10 PDT
Bid history: 16 bids
Winning bid: US $4,500.00

Has a big bore kit, re-done all over, etc.

But MOST OF THE TIME people want an unmodified bike.   I didn't knock modifiers or builders and say 'All builders do a bad job and end up with unreliable bikes.'

I never said that!  Some folks do a great job.

But.....if you have ever looked at ebay listings for a bike, and compared what an all stock example goes for and what a modded-out example sells for -- the modded bike almost always (emphasis on "almost" there)  ALMOST always sells for less than the bike that is unmodified and in stock trim.

There is a PERCEPTION that modified bikes are not as reliable.  Your point that SOME are MORE RELIABLE because of the skill of modern builders.  DEFINITELY TRUE ON THAT ONE.  Point is well taken

BUT MOST MODDED BIKES are not engineered for reliability like they do at the factory.  Here's why. 

1) skill of the modifier varies GREATLY

2)  first a custom part A added to a bike, then a custom part B, then a custom part C -- all 3 parts from different 'custom parts' companies -- were NEVER TESTED RIGOROUSLY together, *on the bike* -- in the Honda factory.  You start combining a bunch of unrelated aftermarket parts from different manufacturers on a bike with the work being done by a hobbyist mechanic --  THAT IS HOW MOST MODDED BIKES get put together.

It is an accurate observation to say 'There is a PERCEPTION that modded bikes aren't as reliable.'  And the above is part of the reason why.



And I never said "I know nothing about this bike" !!  I know  LOT about my sandcast.  It has tons of stuff in common with cb400f I owned, kz1000, kz900, etc. that I have owned and worked on.  I'm qualified to give advice.

I rebuilt the top end of my '77 kz1000 back in 1979 with a big bore kit.

I just finished taking a '78 kz1000 that had not run in 13 years and got the motor going.  BIG JOB THERE.  Valve issues, carb issues, electronic ignition issues, wiring issues, lots of problems.  Shes going great now!

My 69 cb750 has a LOT in common with other 4 cylinder 4 strokes I've owned.

And has a lot in common with bikes in general.  And while I'm not a pro mechanic, I have done a noteworthy amount of work on ALL SORTS of motorcycles.

I am QUALIFIED to give advice and if you find something I say that is not correct because of something I dont' know that's particular to my cb750, heck man if you can politely correct me, and emphasize politely as in  "you're close on that advice, Chortling, but on this bike it's a bit different' -- that's polite.   Saying 'You dont know nothing about this' aint polite.

I will still give advice on the cb750s if I think I can help and if I'm missing something by all means politely let me know, I DO IT THAT WAY TO LEARN! 

[swellguy]

If anyone here is familiar with the Jockey Journal . . . Dragon would have cut this guy off at the knees.

Who are you talking about?

JJ is a forum for Harley and classic brit chops (dropped Jap stuff about a year ago). Dragon is a moderator who is zealous about keeping threads on topic, deleting entries that mean nothing or closing them altogether. Simply put, this guy's windbag ramblings would (and probably should) simply vanish.

[ChortlingSandcaster]

If anyone here is familiar with the Jockey Journal . . . Dragon would have cut this guy off at the knees.

Who are you talking about?

JJ is a forum for Harley and classic brit chops (dropped Jap stuff about a year ago). Dragon is a moderator who is zealous about keeping threads on topic, deleting entries that mean nothing or closing them altogether. Simply put, this guy's windbag ramblings would (and probably should) simply vanish.

Oh nice glad to meet you too.  Sheesh.

[Hush]

Go on CS tell em your gonna cafe' it and want help with fitting drop bars ha ha ha.....
We take ourselves way too seriously some times.
But it's quite coomon for a new forum member to step on some well meaning and knowlegable toes here, I remember stating something a few years back that I though was fact and TT handed me my head on a plate...I sulked for days.
But he was right and I realised I should read more threads (and FAQ's) and post less until I knew better the way this forum worked.
OK you got your nose bloodied CS, It happens to us all at some stage so now welcome to SOHC4 and how can we help you?

[CBJoe]

EDIT:  Post deleted due to imbibing large quantities of alcohol and then deciding to get irritated......

[ChortlingSandcaster]

Dear ChortlingSandcaster,

FIRST.... Wrong forum.... definitely belongs elsewhere (ie. open forums)

Being a fairly open and fair minded individual...I read through your previous posts to get a better picture on the subject at hand (squabbling).....

I have experienced a large array of responses and comments on my questions and answers....not all of witch were helpful and conducive to the argument at hand.  But I have to say.... just about every post that you've done has a tone of bi@$)#( that is almost unheard of in this forum (especially with only 45 posts to brag about).  

Why are you here and what do you want?  #$%* all you want... but if you bring nothing then take yourself elsewhere.

Cheers,  

and I wish you a respectful evening,

With Regards, and Best Wishes, Joe Streif

Hard to put a stake in the ground say 'I helped here, I helped there' because I'm just now brand-new nearly on the board here, but just like everyone I am a biker and just come on to a new bike turns out to be a sandcast.  By accident.  

First will try to get some help, I needed a stock exhaust, and already found me one, will now need a stock front fender, stock carb caps, I asked for on here 'where do I find stock handlebars' and I got advice here on the board here about that, they is now on the way from of all places ENGLAND, and got some advice on this-n-that.  I need the side covers too.

The very first post or near the first was 'I need stock exhaust, stock side covers' and so on so my idea is of course to bringer back to stock.  1969 cb750.  Sandcast.

And then a feller had a dead #3 cylinder and I tried to help as I've had that problem.   I still want to know what his #3 spark plug look like!  is it wet or is it dry.

So I will try to help, been 'pinned down and taking fire' though!  I aint goin nowheres I got just as much right to be heres as anyone else I reckon.  Some folks been b*tchin at me like the ex-wife though!     I HAVE GOTTEN SOME REAL VALUE from the folks on here.  I like the knowledge.  I will try to give back some of what I know too.  

[Quorthon]

Troll. 



Has to be.

[ChortlingSandcaster]

Troll.  

Has to be.

Man, poor read on your part.  

LIGHTEN UP DUDE, you are uppity or high strung er sumthin accusin me a being some kinda
troll monster and all!!!

I early on asked the board here, 'where do I get some stock handlebars for this'n and was told 'David Silver Spares' and I ordered them patiently awaiting the arrival got ape hangers on the beast just now,
BY THE WAY the shipping cost me 33 pounds, if you order from DSSpares just be advised the shippings outta England NOT CHEAP!  

 I did not even WANT to look at the exchange rate!  Just said 'GIMME SOME BARS NOW!'  here they be comin...........


Heres the order on them handlebars:


David Silver Spares Order Confirmation
From:    sales@davidsilverspares.co.uk
   Medium riskYou may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk
Sent:    Tue 5/04/10 5:13 PM

David Silver Spares Order
 
Your Order reference number is: xxxxxx
 
Order information
1 x Handlebar (£35.00) - £35.00
Total: £35.00
Delivery: £0.00
Total: £35.00

HERE IS THE EMAIL FROM THE DUDE BOUT THEM SHIPPING CHARGES NOW

David Silvers website order - Postage cost - Confirmation required‏
From:    Tim Whiting (tim@davidsilverspares.co.uk)
   Medium riskYou may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk
Sent:    Wed 5/05/10 11:49 AM
To:    xxxxx@xxxxx

Hello xxxx

 
Thank you for your website order

Postage cost for this order will be 33.00 GBP

By UPS Express Saver service

Please confirm this is Ok so that I can process your order and send
Kind Regards

Tim Whiting



HERE IS THE TEXT FROM THE SELLERS AD  MY CB750 HE THOUGHT IT WERE A 1970 IT IS A 1969 SANDCAST

1970 Honda CB-750 - $800
Date: 2010-03-22, 1:44PM PDT
1970 Honda CB-750

Does not run but would not take much to get it there. Has some back registration ($174.00) and needs to be inspected by DMV because the previous owner mixed up the vin number and engine number on the transfer of ownership documentation.

Engine turns over
Needs battery, new accelerator cable, ignition switch, and tune-up. Been sitting for a long time, mostly in garage.

Excellent project bike for the vintage Honda motorcycle enthusiast.

[Quorthon]

.

[Hush]

I just got my clutch cables from David Silver, neither fitted but I know why now, ya gotta be exactly precise in what you tell them.
In my case I learned that Honda Police bikes had handlebars 5cm higher than stock bikes so you need longer cables.
David Silver learned something from me in this instance.

[ChortlingSandcaster]

I just got my clutch cables from David Silver, neither fitted but I know why now, ya gotta be exactly precise in what you tell them.
In my case I learned that Honda Police bikes had handlebars 5cm higher than stock bikes so you need longer cables.
David Silver learned something from me in this instance.

They seem like really friendly folks too, there was some more back-n-forth emails with me asking them can they ship the bars slow and save me some $$ and 'Tim' was real patient explaining why it was safer going with the expensive route.   And thanks Hush for the tip about being clear with them! Sorry to hear about your cables!

[Darvill Racing]

Re David Silver Spares,
We have been using David and his team for nigh on 30 years, its always worth giving them a call...

Regards,
Alex

Darvill Racing

[SteveD CB500F]

I think it's time we locked this one down.

Thanks to all the members who bothered to report the thread.

Normal (friendly, informed, polite) service should be resumed on the Tech or Open boards.

Steve