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attention vintage stereo gurus please
« on: May 08, 2010, 07:34:27 PM »
they were cleaning the attic out at my stepdaughters place and one of the things they found was an ancient fisher reciever. knowing my affection for old stereo equipment they brought it over and gave it to me tonight. it's a Fisher 304 4 channel reciever, one of the ones with a wood case that weighs about as much as a small british roadster. it works nice, even with the cd player which wasnt invented for probably 20 years after this monster was built. is this a good one? i dont think i'll sell it unless it's really worth something, i'm just enjoying using it right now. pics to follow
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Re: attention vintage stereo gurus please
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 08:29:56 PM »
they were cleaning the attic out at my stepdaughters place and one of the things they found was an ancient fisher reciever. knowing my affection for old stereo equipment they brought it over and gave it to me tonight. it's a Fisher 304 4 channel receiver, one of the ones with a wood case that weighs about as much as a small british roadster. it works nice, even with the cd player which wasnt invented for probably 20 years after this monster was built. is this a good one? i dont think i'll sell it unless it's really worth something, i'm just enjoying using it right now. pics to follow


The Fisher 304 was a breakthrough in Quadrophonic sound at the time (1970s)! It even synthestized the "back" 2 channels in MONO mode by switching and inverting the opposite front corner output into the rear corner "behind" you, giving even mono AM radio a "front speaker/rear speaker" sensation. They also had a 4-channel turntable for the 4-channel vinyl records (although the channel separation on the vinyl was only 25dB new, and only 12dB after 10 plays). It cost almost as much as the amp, and very few records were available (mostly remixed Beatles stuff and some Mozart that I remember).

SONY extrapolated the concept further about 4 months after the 304 came out and called it "Expanded Stereo", where you could get an enhanced 3-speaker "sound" from a 2-speaker portable unit. Fisher was very cool at the time (and expensive!).

The total wattage of those units was approximately equal to one channel of a modern stereo, but would easily fill a room with sound because of the multi-path frequency amp method they used. The only people who bested the Fisher performance in the same price range was Linear, using Cerwin-Vega ultra-efficiency speakers.

I worked on that stuff in those days...  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 08:55:07 PM »
thanks for the info on that Mark! so i have a really cool find here. wonder how good it will work with a cd player.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 09:14:05 AM »
Well, there may be 4 input channels on the back (I've forgotten, now) where you make your own play plan.  :D

They will be 1v P-P inputs at 10k ohm impedance, the standard of that day. Today they call these "Line" inputs, meaning "Line Level". Everyone calls the 1v P-P signal at 1k to 50k a "Line" input nowadays.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 09:34:46 AM »
Sadly I am old enough to remember these units. I paid off my house seeling vintage gear on ebay. There is one problem with all of this stuff-------it is old. The stuff I keep in my collection for listening I do not leave plugged in. Also the capacitors tend to dry out and may need replacing somewhere down the road.

As for sound the good quality vintage gear tube or not, has a better sound. Real transformers to push the bass, not delays and sub woofers to mask weaknesses in the design quality. That is a great unit and I have one Lafayette Quad unit I bought new when I was working as a Salesman while in College.       
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010, 10:36:37 AM »
Good catch on the Fisher!!

I'm still running my Marantz 2325 receiver, Teac 4300 reel to reel, Panasonic H-R99 8 track recorder, and Dual 601 turntable. All pushed through Altec Lansing 604-8G studio monitors. I definitely agree with Bobby. These old boxes sure have some deep guts!!   
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2010, 01:28:11 PM »
it powers up but theres no damn sound! when i move the rotary switches i hear an electronic "thump" through the speakers but no sound from the tuner at all, not even an electronic hiss. i pulled the speaker fuses and checked them with a continuity buzzer and they all checked out ok. Mark, could this be something simple? i know nothing at all about electronics, i can do replacement of components, i learned that as a freshman in high school. my old sony reciever bit the dust so if i can get this fisher working i'd be happpy as hell.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2010, 01:56:00 PM »


Test your power supply rail voltage to make sure the power supply is good and go down the line from there. If you are not getting the proper voltages or none there it could be a blown diode bridge or the power caps.

You'll need a schematic to figure out what's going on and what voltages should be coming out of the power rails.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010, 02:00:49 PM »
i'll see what i can find..........dont suppose you still have schematics do you Mark?  :D  any ideas on where i can find schematics for it besides sleazebay since i burned my bridges there a while back.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2010, 02:26:27 PM »
Couldn't find a schematic at Howard W Sams, that's where I got all the schematics for my Harmon Kardon tube equipment.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2010, 02:27:59 PM »
Hmmm, if the backlight is lighting up it looks like you have a lower rail voltage (so that means your main transformer works), could be a blown diode past the power supply boefore the channel amplifiers.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2010, 02:49:58 PM »
is that the 2 gigantic heat sinks on the back of the chassis?
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2010, 02:51:46 PM »
Dunno, you would have to snap a pic of the unit with the cover off to tell you.
Those could be the heatsinks for the power transistors.

Usually the transformers of that time were housed in smooth metal that was rather square and rounded.

They'll look more like the black objects at the back of this tube amp.

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2010, 04:36:47 PM »
Try AudioKarma.org. It's the SOHC4ums of vintage audio.

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2010, 05:02:02 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2010, 10:52:50 PM »
it powers up but theres no damn sound! when i move the rotary switches i hear an electronic "thump" through the speakers but no sound from the tuner at all, not even an electronic hiss. i pulled the speaker fuses and checked them with a continuity buzzer and they all checked out ok. Mark, could this be something simple? i know nothing at all about electronics, i can do replacement of components, i learned that as a freshman in high school. my old sony reciever bit the dust so if i can get this fisher working i'd be happpy as hell.
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If it's been sitting a long time, there could be some light corrosion on the switch contacts (like where it goes from AM to FM to LINE, etc.). This is VERY common. The first thing I usually do with vintage switches: operate them about 50 times, end-to-end. The wiping action is often enough to clean off the contacts: many were designed that way on purpose so the contacts would keep themselves cleaned from operation. Real bad cases might need a little cleaning help: use "tuner cleaner" or "potentiometer cleaner" if you can find it, the clear stuff (in aerosol cans). After cleaning, a very light drop of oil will keep them happier.

The Fisher was one of the first to have the MUTE function, too. This squleched at audio until the proper "channel" selection was made so the "thump" you're hearing would not damage the (then new technology) low-travel woofer cones. There was a short delay of about 1 second when switching from one mode to the next, where the sound would be muted and then ramp up instead of slapping the amps (in case they were turned way up).

On many of the early Fisher quads they had aluminum or chrome selector and volume knobs (does yours?). These had one major drawback: static electricity from a walk across the carpet, transmitted to the selector switch or volume knob, would damage the mute transistors and shut off the sound. The most common symptom: if the volume was turned all the way up, you could just barely hear some music coming through. If yours has this particular problem, simply clipping off the collector lead of the mute transistors (there's 4 in that one) will let the sound through again. (They just shorted the signal to ground.)

Fisher wasn't alone in this problem: it was almost universal in the 1970s and early 1980s...I paid off my divorce bills by fixing "brand X" stereos "on the side" while I worked for SONY for 9 years.  :-\
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2010, 11:11:51 PM »
This is a great site also..........  http://www.classicaudio.com/    ;D

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2010, 11:13:35 PM »
Good luck bucky,
I hope it doesn't turn into a disaster like mine did. These old amps can suck up just as much time as our sohc's can.

I have a Bogen DB230 that i re-capped and re-tubed. It has never worked right. After i threw my hands in the air i brought it to a local tube audio place here in Chicago. They had it for almost three months. The guy called me last week and told me that he has no idea why it does what it does. (Either channels power tubes will randomly over over heat after the unit has been powered on for about 30 seconds)

Really stinks man. All i wanted to do last winter was to sit in my living room with a cocktail, my pipe and listen to my vinyl on my nifty newly rebuilt tube amp. There's nothin like the sound of vinyl over tubes to warm you up in the dead of a Chicago winter.

Audiokarma is a good site. I joined last fall. There are a few guys that know what they are talking about on there.
I have heard that its not good to power them up after a decade long sit though. Depending on where it was stored. If it was in a humid place, water in the air in the transformers can turn to steam and really do a number on the windings.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 12:10:10 AM »
this reciever has slide pots for volume. 1 for the front channel and one for the rear channel. i'll try cycling the switches and see what happens. i'll check for the mute transistors and report.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2010, 06:30:45 AM »
Try a little Honda Contact and Brake cleaner on all the switches and pots.  Seriously. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2010, 09:23:09 AM »
Hey Bucky Katt -
I just recently did a minor repair on a customers Fisher
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http://www.fisherdoctor.com/
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