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Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« on: May 09, 2010, 08:34:15 AM »
I'd like to hear from those that were there....when the 750 hit the dealerships....

Was there a waiting list where you were for them?

How hard was it to get one?

Did they seem that desireable at the time, or only real dyed in the wool bikers were excited about them?

PLEASE.....do tell!

It would make for fun reading with my morning coffee.

Everything at the dealer now is all plastic, with no clean lines....depressing.

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 09:11:49 AM »
In 1969 I had a '69 CL350.  I remember reading about the CB750 in '68-69 and would just drool over them.  They were few and far between in '69, at least in Minnesota.  I still remember that exact place and time I saw, and heard, my first one in the summer of '69.  It made a lasting impression on me and I wanted one in the worst way.  Went through a couple of 500's first and finally in '75 bought a '70 early diecast.  I still have it.  Always loved them.  It was a great time for motorcycling.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 09:17:54 AM »
traveler, I'm 53. I first stepped into a Honda dealer in 1970 or 71 in Greensboro, NC. The dealership was Smith Honda. Do the math I was 13 or 14. I had talked my Mom into buying me my first Honda, a Mini Trail 70. I remember seeing  at least 6 brand new CB750's parked side by side on the far side of the show room. I was just a kid but the style and the lines of this bike got my attention. They look so fast and powerful. I was in that dealership alot in the 70's and they always had 750's on the showroom floor waiting do be sold.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 09:23:06 AM »
I remember the V-Max and the stir it created in 1986....also remember the gPz 900"Ninja" in the mid 80's.....but want to hear from everyone on the CB750.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 09:38:04 AM »
Dennis..aka Old Scrambler has the BEST stories.. He was actually selling them in California.

 They came out  a bit late in the year and were in short supply at first.

 Many people knew of them, but only saw a few before September of 69.. depending on where you lived.

 A dealer in Red Deer Alberta,  Turple Brothers sold 6 that year. He rode his to California that fall, and only saw 2 others.. his has over 100K on it (by the late 70s), still owns it!

 One member on here was riding one in LA  and met a guy on another bike, at a stoplight that wanted to ride it. They switched bikes..  so he could try it.. the guy that asked to swap was Steve McQueen... :o

 Plenty of cool stories about them bikes..
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010, 10:41:33 AM »


  I was in the Air Force, stationed at Misawa AFB in Northern Japan. At the time, I had a '66 CB72 Honda Hawk and you couldn't buy the 750 in Japan (funny, huh?) but one of the guys stationed there, bought one and had it shipped over. I had read all about it and was wishing I could afford one on my meager Military income. My 250 Hawk (little brother to the SuperHawk) was a pretty good runner for it's size (had some improvements made by me also) I remember the first time I saw that 750, everything around it looked so small! It was the red model and it was a beautiful, awesome  bike.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2010, 01:58:31 PM »
I remember them, but wasn't really into bikes till about 73 when I bought my CB500, then in 74 I bought a used 73 750. In 69 I was driving a 64 buick wildcat 2dr hardtop 425 and in 70 I bought a 69 firebird HO350.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2010, 02:56:54 PM »
I remember reading about them in mid to late 1968 or so. The first one I actually saw was around March of 1969 on a raised pedestal at the local Honda dealer. It was Candy Blue Green and I was actually speechless when I saw it. Must have spent at least 40 minutes just walking around it taking in every detail. The most beautiful thing on wheels I had seen. I had a Super  Hawk then and couldn't finance a 750 until 1971 - a Candy Ruby Red version. While getting the K1 was certainly a moment to remember, the day seeing that Blue Green '69 on the pedestal was one of those pivotal moments. No bike has struck me like that since. As someone mentioned the V-Max, and even the 1973 Z1, and the day I bought my 1979 CBX were all attention getters - none will compare. I guess age played a big part of it as being younger allows for more visceral moments.

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010, 03:06:54 PM »
I was 11 when the CB750 was released here in NZ, my sister's boyfriend's brother (mouthfull huh) had a red 750, he used to polish it daily.
He was one of those guys that stripped the motor just to see how it worked, amazing.
It was a massive bike in all respects, I was totally in awe of it even though I was 3 years from owning my first bike.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2010, 04:33:16 PM »
I was 13 in the summer of 69. There was a honda dealer 3 blocks from the house. I remember looking at a red one and thinking about how futuristic it looked.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2010, 07:22:10 PM »
The reason I started this post.....is because I have a hard time believing that if a simple air cooled four with the CB750's clean lines was built....that it wouldn't sell.

The CB750 had the best lines, very clean and uncluttered.  A modern version, which (unfortunately) would have a DOHC, air cooled, fuel injected mill, and discs front and rear, would still sell like crazy.

Seriously, I'd be first in line.

Any more stories?  

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2010, 07:31:13 PM »
My old man helped me buy an S65 in 66, I was eleven and thought I had the world by the tail. Then my older brother bought a CB175 in 68 and that thing was a rocket compared to my little S65.

Eventually the inside cover on bike magazines with those gorgeous girls in the Norton ads had me longing for a Commando. I could draw the Norton swirl with my eyes closed and always wore a Norton tee.

On one visit to the Honda shop for a sparkplug I caught my first glimpse of the CB750, was late fall 69. It was awe inspiring. I was becoming a bike race fan and of course Bugsy won Daytona the next spring and the tide turned, I was hooked.

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2010, 07:35:44 PM »
A friend and I rolled into the local Honda dealer in 1969 looking to buy dirt bikes. At the time I was riding a '63 Honda Dream and he was on a '68 Triumph Bonnie. The dealer had one 750. I'm not sure if it was a sandcast or not, but he wanted me to ride it. Compared to the Dream, it was a monster and I was reluctant to ride it as I could barely touch the ground while sitting on it.

Anyway, I did loop the block with it and asked how much? The price was 1,200 bucks and there was a waiting list. Not wanting to wait, I bought one out of the local paper that had 200 miles on it...the wife of the guy who owned it made him get rid of it as it scared her.  ;D

The four exhausts on the 750 really attracted a lot of attention in those days ... as did the disk brake. Alongside new bikes it still attracts attention today.

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2010, 09:01:31 PM »
I remember a friend of the family turning up in town on a new CB750 around 1970. For a small rural town of 3500 people about 1 and 1/2 hours down from Hush this was big time ! I wangled my way into one about 9 years later still smitten by that first sighting.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2010, 03:14:17 AM »
The reason I started this post.....is because I have a hard time believing that if a simple air cooled four with the CB750's clean lines was built....that it wouldn't sell.

The CB750 had the best lines, very clean and uncluttered.  A modern version, which (unfortunately) would have a DOHC, air cooled, fuel injected mill, and discs front and rear, would still sell like crazy.

Seriously, I'd be first in line.

Any more stories?  

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Hummmm...not really sure. In 1969 the CB750 was a futuristic rocketship that had absolutely no comparison. You had 650 BSAs and 650 Triumphs or the 900 Sportster for the sport minded biker. Ducatis and such exotics weren't imported in large enough numbers to be considered. Sure the CB450 was a terrific bike but was a tad short in the displacement department. The CB750 had a disc brake, 4 cylinder smoothness, working electric start, reliable electrics, non-leaking engine, outstanding build quality, superb fit and finish. Plus it was a 12 second machine as delivered. There wasn't many areas it wasn't outstanding.

Today the gamut has been run many times over as to innovative bikes. We've seen so many incarnations since 1969 that its hard to count them all on two hands. Almost everything has been done. While there would be some market for a retro CB750 there numbers aren't there to support its production. Honda, and all other motorcycle factories, are in business to make money. Whatever they believe will sell, they will make. Look at the Fury as mentioned in another thread. And they aren't even bringing the CB1100 to these shores - and you can bet that's because they don't think it will sell in large enough numbers to justify the "North Americanization" of it. I remember in 1977 and 1978 when Honda was leading up to the unveiling of the CBX. They honestly thought that it was going to be the CB750 all over again. The promo films, the huge conventions and meetings - no expense was spared in preparation of the second coming. We all know where that went. Within two years they tried to salvage some of the R&D by making a sport tourer of her. Even that didn't help.

I think a retro CB750 would be looked upon as a nostalgic venture. A lot of those that bought the CB750 in 1969 to 1978 have long since given up biking. Not all but a lot. So your core market is deflated. The young guns want high zoot plastic encased rockets and the older guys go either V twin cruiser or dresser. Only those with a penchant for retro would buy it. And ask Volkswagen, BMW, Ford and Chrysler how their market prediction sales and actual sales of the new Bug, Mini, Thunderbird and PT Cruiser have fared against their optimism.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2010, 08:06:41 AM »
 I would have loved to been a fly on the wall...

 at the Honda  Annual sales reports meeting, in fall of 70.

 with all the execs gathered around the table, looking at a huge pile of pics..........of CB 750s..

 CB750s with 8 over forks and grenade sissy bars..Maltese cross mirrors.. :o

 750s, in roadrace trim...

 A dragbike with a car slick and a fairing on front , with "The Asassin" scrawled across it!

 Wixom fairings, and bags on 750s..

 CB 750s with sidecars..

 CBs with knobby tires..

 750 fours in rigid frames, all molded and a twisted springer..

 And all the execs, with shocked looks on their faces.. :o :o ??? :o ??? :o ???

 scratching their heads saying, "Horry Fruck".. ???..what do these Americans REALLY WANT..??
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2010, 08:09:33 AM »
I would have loved to been a fly on the wall...

 at the Honda  Annual sales reports meeting, in fall of 70.

 with all the execs gathered around the table, looking at a huge pile of pics..........of CB 750s..

 CB750s with 8 over forks and grenade sissy bars..Maltese cross mirrors.. :o

 750s, in roadrace trim...

 A dragbike with a car slick and a fairing on front , with "The Asassin" scrawled across it!

 Wixom fairings, and bags on 750s..

 CB 750s with sidecars..

 CBs with knobby tires..

 750 fours in rigid frames, all molded and a twisted springer..

 And all the execs, with shocked looks on their faces.. :o :o ??? :o ??? :o ???

 scratching their heads saying, "Horry Fruck".. ???..what do these Americans REALLY WANT..??


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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2010, 08:34:40 AM »

In June 1969 (first year out of high school and first year into University @ 18yo) I had acquired my first bike: a Honda CD90, for $110.

Wow! Oh God!!! Was this the answer to my dreams! I didn't have to pedal anymore (or since: I don't have a carbon footprint - I drive everywhere!)

In July I'd watched the Moon Landing and then ridden off to another part of the campus on that overcast rainy day - raindrops hitting my nose - tears to my eyes - can remember it as I type here.  :(

My parents owned a newsagency (paper shop, magazine shop).

Late one August evening after lectures I wandered in to find a mag with a full front cover of the CB750.

Life has never been the same since.


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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2011, 09:57:25 PM »
I'd like to hear from those that were there....when the 750 hit the dealerships....

Was there a waiting list where you were for them?

How hard was it to get one?

Did they seem that desireable at the time, or only real dyed in the wool bikers were excited about them?

PLEASE.....do tell!

It would make for fun reading with my morning coffee.

Everything at the dealer now is all plastic, with no clean lines....depressing.

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Oh, boy (just stumbled across this one...)...!

I was working as a wrench at Spring Honda in Elmhurst, IL when it changed from a magazine picture to the red one on our showroom floor. I put my "down money" on one the next day (never got it from that shop...) in late Spring of 1970. I also went to Mannheim Honda to sign up for one there, about a month later. In the Chicago area, like most corrupt Chicago things, you 'signed up' to get one with $200-$250 to 'get in line' for one, and they would call you when it came in: the $$ did NOT go toward the purchase price. When it came in, you had up to 2 days to come in with the money, usually $1750 with tax and license (this was $1625 for the bike, while Honda was advertising $1495). Honda was pulling dealerships if they got caught at it, but it continued unabated in that area until 1971, at least. At Spring, when 'mine' came in the first time, it was not a blue one (which I most wanted) and the shop owner sold it to his 'best customer' at the time. A blue one came in next, and as I walked into the shop with cash in my pocket, he sold it to his brother-in-law for less money as I stood there, watching. Mannheim called me that day to tell me they had one that someone had "defaulted" on, so I walked out of Spring, got on my SuperHawk and rode over to Mannheim, paid $500 down (cash) until I could come back the next day to ride it home. All this activity happened in September of 1970 (I already lived in another town by then, came back to get the bike), that's how hard it was to get one: the K1 had come out by then, so my first one was a gold K1.

All over the Chicago area, people were talking about this bike. Bankers, lawyers, even grocery store managers, were riding them to work. I saw many instances of people staring at the 4 cylinder, 4-pipe monster bikes when they were waiting at stoplights and the like: I saw people driving to Honda shops just to go look at them (these were not motorcycle rider folks, either). When I got my K1, it drew a crowd every time I parked it, so I had a logging chain of 2" hardened links and a 2 pound lock to tie it to something solid whenever I parked it: they were stolen more than Corvettes. I had to chase kids off of it almost every time I went to a store or shopping center (no "malls" in those days), and even a few adults. I was only 18 years old, myself! So, I centerstanded it every time I parked it, so it was less likely to be knocked over by these idiots....

It seemed like every V8-powered hotshot in town wanted to test these bikes, and they never won, even against me as I learned to harness the in-out box of a clutch and the wheel-lifting surge at 6500 RPM that the K0 and K1 were known for. I weighed all of 105 pounds at the time, certainly an asset. I would even take on Corvettes and Mustangs with my girl on the back of the Four, just to show off, hoping I wouldn't wheelie high enough to ditch her off the back...it never lost.

The only thing that could challenge the Four was another one: the Harleys made lots of noise trying. During the summer of 1970 I moved to Peoria at another Honda shop that was smaller: they were only allocated 6 of the bikes in the 1970 season. Honda had all their shops allocated by their overall sales volume, so small shops suffered a lot of lost sales in those days from the policy: Honda just could not even approach the sales demand. That's why I ended up back in Chicago to get my bike, but it made it all the more spectacular in Peoria. I could not ride down the street without people pointing at it, and when I rode to the shop, I even had some cars follow me to see where I was going. Then, of course, they found out they could not buy one, and were disappointed: I could have sold mine for twice what I paid for it!

By the end of 1970, though, it was obvious something was not right with the bike: it handled poorly compared to others I rode during servicing events. After discovering the frame to be mis-welded so the wheels did not align, Honda would not warranty it (90 day warranty only in those days, and expired by 2 months by then), but did allow as how if I traded for another one, they would give me the full [sic] credit of $1545 sale price against a new one, which cost (advertised) $1695 by then. Eager to solve the problem, I agreed, ending up with the brand-new K2 I still have in the Spring of 1971 (April, I think it was...). I didn't know until later just how much the bikes had been toned down by then, but this started my constant research into the design and metamorphosis of the bike that has now created my "hallmark" of note.

Wherever I went (as I did not have a car), the 750 drew attention, crowds, street fight challenges, admiration, and questions. This didn't end until about 1974 when they were so plentiful that we used to count them every time we drove somewhere, just to see how many would appear. The charisma was finally challenged by the Z1 when it appeared, although the legend was already born and the other Fours never then seemed to be any more than a "me-too" effort in the eyes of the general public. To this day, anyone who knows the bikes of the time always says something like, "Yeah, the Honda was the beginning of it all, and while the Kawi was a little faster stock, the Honda always seemed the more refined".

It still seems like comparing apples and oranges, to me.  ;)
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2011, 10:24:05 PM »
I bought one new in August of 1969. It was in the front window of a shoe store on Granville St. in Vancouver. I went straight to the dealership and bought it. It was a traffic stopper, people wanted me to pull over so they could see, people would not race me, it was unbelievable. I crashed it 5 weeks later into the side of a Cortina that ran a stop sign, it nearly killed me. It took me 2 years to get another 750, a brand new K1 which I still have. It was a history making bike that put the British bike owners in denial. The Commando was fast but didn't have the pizzazz of the CB750. It's hard to describe the excitement it generated on the road or parked. Park a well turned out early CB750 and you'll get almost the same attention I got but not quite the same rush as having a history making bike. It WAS a big deal! When I show my K1's there's lots of people that tell me they had one, wanted one, their dad had one - it touched people in a way that not many bikes did, and that's no exaggeration.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2011, 03:02:01 PM »
I was working at a dealership when they first came out, remember how shocked and in awe everyone was when the first crate came in and was opened. Of course, the oldest mechanic was chosen for the set up(wasn't me as I was too inexperienced at the time, but I was later chosen to set up the first Goldwing ;), which I test rode up I-95 at a ton plus  ::)). Back to the 750, we all just stood there for a long time looking at the bike after it was put together salivating and wanting one but none of us had the funds. I never owned one until I purchased the K3  last year, the 77 I have is pretty much an ugly waste.  Another thing I remember is the price, advertised retail was low but the dealership was getting way more, sometimes as much as three to four hundred dollars :o. Similar to the first "gas shortage" when more Honda 360's were sold than the entire line.  The salesmen were literally sitting at their desks selling 360's to extremely inexperienced people so that they could save money on gas. Gas prices tripled almost overnight back in the 70's. I digress again, another thing I remember about the 750 were all the motor cases that had to be replaced because of the recall for faulty cases that would break at the countershaft sprocket area.  Got paid roughly 18 hours of flat rate time to pull the motor, tear it down and replace the cases.  Did so many I could eventually beat that time.

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2011, 03:27:34 PM »
Franken, if you graduated from highschool in 1969 at age 18, you must not have done well in math?   :D   :D 
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 07:23:17 PM »
Franken, if you graduated from highschool in 1969 at age 18, you must not have done well in math?   :D   :D 

I was scratching my head about that as well.

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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2011, 07:44:01 PM »
My story: Age 18, 1971 worked at Honda/Triumph of Indianapolis, selling all he could get at $1725. Owner offered me the employee discount to $1600 for a new K1. Comet Kart Sales in Greenfield IN (40 miles down the road) was a nations volume leader in CB750 sales at $1425. My boss/owner said he'd sell me one at $1450 to keep it in house. Wrote him a check. Had saved up the money from cutting grass for many summers.

My parents were so proud.   ;)
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2011, 09:38:50 PM »
My brother went in to get a new 750, they couldn't get him one so he bought a 450. He rode that a couple years then traded it in on a 74 750 that he still owns today. Might have been a sandcast in the family if he had waited.
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Re: Those that were there, 1969 and CB750's
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2011, 08:09:34 AM »
Good to see this thread reserected. Great stories guys. Heck, in 1969 I was just going into the 10th grade with no money. I had my first ride on a Bridgestone the year before and was bitten by the cycle bug. So I landed a 1965 Honda S65 for $100 in 1969. Got me all over the place for about 50 cents a month for gas. Saw a few early 750's in this area, but they looked to hard for me to handle...plus, out of my price range. So I ended up with something in my price range...a new 1972 CB175 scrambler, then new CB450, then in 1977 I got my first new CB750K. And believe it or not I had to go to 2 different dealers to get on a list for that 77 bike. I don't know if it was the redesign of the 77 CB750K with the new tank, lines, etc. or what...but it took a few months before I could climb into that saddle. Now comparing that 77 to the KO & K1...they sure got doggy as they got newer.
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