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'Like a rolling stone' Dylan........ coincidence maybe?.... wouldn't be my choice, what's yours ( Best Song OF All Time ).. ( So Far!!!).
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Re: 'Rolling Stone' name the 'Best 500 Songs Ever.'..... no.1 is??
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2010, 08:40:55 PM »
That is certainly a justifiable choice.  Like a Rolling Stone and Positively 4th Street, which is essentially part II, are the ultimate "put down" songs of rock and roll.  It starts like a thunderclap and just keeps it up the whole way through.  As for 4th Street is there any more derisive line in rock and roll than the last few?

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you.

Dylan at his most nasty and venomous.  Brilliant and thrilling as long as you were not the target. Like a 2X4 upside the head.;D

On a more positive note I would have to offer up A Day in the Life by the Beatles.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2010, 08:54:23 PM »
Our local radio station did the memorial day 500. This afternoon at work we heard the last 15 or so and # 1 was .............
 Boston
 More than a feeling!
 We all were wondering if that was just a song before the #1 song!! ;D
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2010, 09:09:14 PM »
'More than a feeling' makes me aggressive!
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 09:18:25 PM »
'More than a feeling' makes me aggressive!


If you mean it makes you want to punch Boston in the eye, then yes I feel that way too.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 09:33:52 PM »
Our memorial 500 had You shook me by ac/dc as #1, thats not so bad!

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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2010, 09:42:42 PM »
Everything Boston ever did added together doesn't equal one AC/DC song.
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Re: 'Rolling Stone' name the 'Best 500 Songs Ever.'..... no.1 is??
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2010, 09:53:49 PM »
Not sure if it qualifies as a song, but the beginning to "Dark side of the moon" always moved me, from the first time I heard it. I still use it for my standard when evaluating sound systems by ear...   
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Re: 'Rolling Stone' name the 'Best 500 Songs Ever.'..... no.1 is??
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2010, 09:06:54 AM »



Rolling Stone's top 500 songs: Time after time, they get it wrong
By JUAN RODRIGUEZ, The Gazette



"Yes, they've believed in all the papers / And magazines that defined their folklore ... Everybody come back! / No one can do it like you used to."

Frank Zappa, We're Turning Again (1985)

MONTREAL - There they go again - rewriting history to serve their mythologies and legacy. - By "they" I mean the Baby Boomers, specifically the editors of Rolling Stone, which has published a "special - collector's edition" hailing the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, chosen by a "blue-chip panel" of critics, musicians and industry nabobs.

From the get-go, the title is preposterous. It's the "all time" part that bugs me; fully 395 selections come from just three decades: 1950s (69 songs), '60s (195) and '70s (131). Implicit is the idea that these boomer golden years dominate musical history, without considering that musical progress is a continuum. By "songs" what they really mean is "recordings" of said songs, so we should be talking about 100 years of recorded 15,000 sound. (They start in 1948, with Rollin' Stone by Muddy Waters.)

Thus the selection gives short shrift to the music that came before and after the cherished youth of boomers. Rolling Stone has totally ignored the Great American Songbook (those witty, sophisticated songs from the 1920s through the mid-50s, by the Gershwins, Cole Porter et al), and slighted the hip-hop culture (which has been around for more than 30 years).

For my money, a great recording always sounds fresh and new, and should say something to the listener in the here-and-now, no matter when it was recorded. There's always something new to notice about a great song and recorded performance, no matter how many times you listen to it.

The most egregious omissions, to my ears, are Frank Sinatra, Leonard Cohen, Frank Zappa, Duke Ellington and DJ Shadow; strange, because they're among the most critically discussed and influential musical artists of "all time." Other unrepresented artists: Bessie Smith, Robert Johnson, Louis Jordan (no rap without 1947's Saturday Night Fish Fry), and the modernists Nick Cave, The Pretenders, Sonic Youth, Kraftwerk, Suite Wilco, Gorillaz - get the message? Yet there's room for Norman Greenbaum's quasi-bubblegum, ultimately cloying Spirit in the Sky, and Elton John's equally banal Candle in the Wind.

There's a collective failure to come to terms with rap and hip-hop, a field that literally changed the language of pop, lyrically and musically. A friend says he doesn't consider rap to be "song craft," but, if anything, it reinvents song craft, the first real change in pop since Dylan and, earlier, Chuck Berry. Spoken-word and storytelling set to tricky beats renders obsolete (and pretentious) the inept "beat poetry+jazz" movement of the '50s and '60s. The field is fascinating, including the so-called crass "bling" style, which says more about money, commerce and ghetto-culture than anything the Holy Troika - Beatles-Stones-Dylan - ever did.

But when the first example of hip-hop culture to make Rolling Stone's list, 1982's The Message, by Grandmaster Flash, with its astoundingly skilled and evocative lyrics, comes in at only No. 51, it's a sure tipoff that something is dreadfully skewed with their interpretation of musical pop culture. I counted only 20 loosely defined hip-hop records - among the Greatest 500 Songs.

Of course, best-of lists invite arguments, so I'll take the bait, starting with the Beatles. There's just way too much of the Fab Four (23 entries). A little paring might've been in order; while Please Please Me and A Little Help From My Friends have their charms, they're dispensable.

Following the knee-jerk picks Like A Rolling Stone (Dylan) and (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction (Rolling Stones) - as good as any picks, I suppose, comes Imagine, by John Lennon, at Number 3, a wish-list ditty so sanctimonious that it makes U2 seem understated! Then again John was a buddy of Jann Wenner, founder of the Stone. The Beatles' opus A Day in the Life, one of the 20th century's great miniature dramas (high or low brow), didn't make the Top 10 (instead: the interminable pseudo-incantation Hey Jude).

Pop music made outside the English-speaking world? Forget it. The Stone's sophisticates may talk a good line about global consciousness, but they don't walk the walk. Not even Serge Gainsbourg's universally understood Je t'aime (moi non plus) makes the grade. (It topped the charts in Britain, but stalled at "soixante-neuf " in the U.S.)

While it is true that post-grunge wannabe boy-wonder groups have come and gone (quickly) over the past 10 years, there has been some great music over that time (if only because there's so much more to choose from). The cream rises to the top, or prophetic edges, in every generation. Yet there are only 21 and 27 picks from the '90s and 2000s respectively.

Yes, I love so many of these songs from the '60s (my teen years); much of it was protean music that remains enormously influential. But when you're stuck in the rut of nostalgia, there's no inclination to examine history judiciously, see the present, and look ahead.



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Re: 'Rolling Stone' name the 'Best 500 Songs Ever.'..... no.1 is??
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2010, 09:07:53 AM »
I liked Boston when they first came out but all their music sounds the same to me.

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2010, 10:22:49 AM »
I kind of feel that all the metal bands are Led Zeppelin Clones, as far as picking favorites that dang near impossible for me I like so many, I am partial to the 60's-70's San Fransisco sounds, Dead, Joplin, Hendrix, CSN&Y, Joni Mitchell to name a few, although I think Allison Krouse and Norah Jones have the most beautiful voices I have ever heard. 

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2010, 12:45:59 PM »
Omission of Hip Hop is certainly noteworthy.

As far as rock songs go: Number One should be Come Together by the Beatles.

Just think about it a bit. ROCK SONGS. Come Together. Right Now. Over me. SSSSssssssssssssssssssssshooot me.

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2010, 01:57:09 PM »
I will never feel that zeppelin is metal. Sorry but it just does not have a metal sound. I dont care what they acted like, if it was about act, hell Cash should be metal then.
Priest came out in the 70s, sure dont sound like zeppelin. Diamond head came out in the 70s, doesn't sound like zeppelin. Zeppelin to me runs from folk to rock, but not metal.

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2010, 05:20:44 PM »
a lot of people liked bob dylan
but not enough to make best song
the only way to do it properly is best song in category
like donna summer making best rock artist
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2010, 05:23:49 PM »
like donna summer making best rock artist

Or Madonna being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame... ;)
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2010, 06:57:45 PM »
I will never feel that zeppelin is metal.

As I recall, the term Heavy Metal was coined for the bands Iron Butterfly and Led (lead) Zeppelin. ;)
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2010, 07:28:03 PM »
Yeah and superbike was coined for the cb750, doesnt mean it is though. Also, steppen wolf coined the term "heavy metal". I just dont see them as metal and I am not alone in that. Sabbath, priest, ozzy, that is metal. Zep is not. I mean, some of the old Kiss is heavier than zeppelin and they are not considered metal but hard rock.

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 07:39:53 PM »
It's not on the list but it should be.
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2010, 08:07:46 PM »
I will never feel that zeppelin is metal.

As I recall, the term Heavy Metal was coined for the bands Iron Butterfly and Led (lead) Zeppelin. ;)

Sabbath was the main cause for the term and are referred to as the "godfathers of heavy metal". The term really didn't become popular until the late 70's although the term was used in the song "born to be wild" in around 1968-9....."heavy metal thunder"
Oh, and Zepplin are NOT heavy metal........not even close.


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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2010, 09:25:48 PM »
My #1 at the moment is The Rolling Stones' [I can't get no] Satisfaction!
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2010, 10:07:37 PM »

Sabbath was the main cause for the term and are referred to as the "godfathers of heavy metal". The term really didn't become popular until the late 70's although the term was used in the song "born to be wild" in around 1968-9....."heavy metal thunder"
Oh, and Zepplin are NOT heavy metal........not even close.

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True, the term didn't become popular 'till the late 70's, and I never realized the lyrics from BTBW were "heavy metal thunder", even though I saw Easy Rider at a drive-in back in the day, and wore out the soundtrack LP on my Weathers turntable. Still, some of the early Led Zep stuff laid the foundation for what became known as heavy metal, such as "Good times bad times", "Communication breakdown", and "Whole lotta love", all copyrighted in '69.
BTW Steppenwolf was considered an "acid rock" band back then.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2010, 12:18:55 AM »

Sabbath was the main cause for the term and are referred to as the "godfathers of heavy metal". The term really didn't become popular until the late 70's although the term was used in the song "born to be wild" in around 1968-9....."heavy metal thunder"
Oh, and Zepplin are NOT heavy metal........not even close.

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True, the term didn't become popular 'till the late 70's, and I never realized the lyrics from BTBW were "heavy metal thunder", even though I saw Easy Rider at a drive-in back in the day, and wore out the soundtrack LP on my Weathers turntable. Still, some of the early Led Zep stuff laid the foundation for what became known as heavy metal, such as "Good times bad times", "Communication breakdown", and "Whole lotta love", all copyrighted in '69.
BTW Steppenwolf was considered an "acid rock" band back then.


I still say that Sabbath, which formed a couple of years earlier and were originally called "Earth" were the original metal band and influenced every heavy band in one way or another since. You also had Hawkwind and a few others like Slade,  Deep purple and Cream to a degree but they, like Zepplin were hard rock bands, Sabbath is the first band that you could call "metal". Sorry for the histrionics but i have played guitar for over 30 years and grew up with Sabbath and Judas Priest and piles of other early metal bands and still play newer forms of the genre, no screamers though..... ;)

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2010, 07:34:57 AM »
interesting takes on metal, like I said just my opinion, it's all good, only at my age some of it really gives me a literal pounding in my skull that only medication seems to relieve anymore LOL. 

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2010, 06:13:29 PM »
... it really gives me a literal pounding in my skull that only medication seems to relieve anymore LOL. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2010, 08:52:27 PM »
Truer words have rarely been uttered!

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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2010, 06:58:11 AM »
OK dumb question did rolling stone in it's 500 mention Fats Waller, Machito, Django, Paul Robeson, Woody Gutherie ?
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2010, 11:13:35 AM »
I doubt anyone working there even knows who they are, except maybe the ones that are retiring soon