Topic: 413 V-8 analog EFI VW bus

[scottly]

About 15 years ago, after many, many hours of trial and error, I put together an analog EFI system on my, even then, long term project: a '61 VW bus, with a Chrysler 413 mounted mid-ship.
I had a neighbor who dealt in the scrap auto business, who provided me with free parts, such as injectors, fuel pumps, etc. (I would rebuild his carb on his parts hauler for free, or weld up a crack on his trailer frame, whatever. It was a win-win on both sides.)
The setup I ended up with uses Ford 5.0 19 lb/hr high impedance injectors (too small for my motor, but they work ok up to about 5K RPM), and an external fuel pump from a big-block Ford truck. The fuel pressure regulator is also from a 5.0, and the MAP sensor is from a Dodge truck.

[scunny]

bet that bad boy has surprised the occassional hippy

[scottly]

I had actually considered naming it "Hippies' Revenge" at one time!    

[Retro Rocket]

You had better have some pics of that beast Scottly...   I remember one from the 70's that was a drag racer, it used to wheelstand the full 1/4 mile....

Mick

[scottly]

Sorry, no vintage pics, like the one a bud took of the severed roof on my folk's lawn when I chopped the top in '74. Looked like a VW bus was buried up to the windows. You'll have to settle for current pics, which I'll take tomorrow.

[Raef]

so I'm not real up on mopar, is that intake a mopar piece, what about the throttle body, is there an o2 sensor or are the parameters set

VW or Porsche trans flipped over are something completely different?

[scottly]

Intake manifold is an Edelbrock Torker modified with injector bungs. The throttle body is custom made (by myself and a friend), bolted to a Holley carburetor base plate. There is an Edelbrock O2 narrow-band meter, but it is for reference only, it is not tied in to the EFI. (BTW, it doesn't work worth a crap, due to being narrow band.)
The trans is a shortened Mopar auto, coupled with a very short drive-shaft (10.5"?) to an 8 3/4 Mopar rear-end

[bill440cars]

  Cool!   You are NOT going to believe this (Well, You MIGHT) but I have fantasized about that same basic idea for YEARS! Only I was seeing a blown 426 HEMI sitting in there! Now, I never had the finances OR the Skills to pull it off though. For ME, it was just a "Dream". I could see puling into a gas station and opening those side doors to "Check the oil!" Whenever you CAN, I sure would like to see some pictures of THAT one!

                                Gotta humor an OLD MOPAR Fanatic!

[scottly]

Here ya go, Bill and Retro:

[Retro Rocket]

   What a fun beastie......   How much did you chop out of the roof height?

Mick

[scottly]

About 2 3/4 inches (70 mm).

[Raef]

pretty cool project, we gotta scratch build going on i'll try to get ome pick in a day or two

[scottly]

pretty cool project, we gotta scratch build going on i'll try to get ome pick in a day or two

EFI scratch build? Yeah, let's see some pics!

[eideteker]

Intake manifold is an Edelbrock Torker modified with injector bungs. The throttle body is custom made (by myself and a friend), bolted to a Holley carburetor base plate. There is an Edelbrock O2 narrow-band meter, but it is for reference only, it is not tied in to the EFI. (BTW, it doesn't work worth a crap, due to being narrow band.)
The trans is a shortened Mopar auto, coupled with a very short drive-shaft (10.5"?) to an 8 3/4 Mopar rear-end

I've got a used NGK Powerdex AFX wide-band unit which has analog outs...let me know if you're interested.

[Raef]

pretty cool project, we gotta scratch build going on I'll try to get some pick in a day or two

EFI scratch build? Yeah, let's see some pics!

NOOO, I may do a little repair but never done any scratch building of electronics, I was referring to a scratch build T pick up with a nail head Buick

[KeithTurk]

one of my good friends is Deep into scratch built EFI systems.... it's all freaking greek to me... 

( think 572 with a Vortec and a carb in a box )....

We also had another dude bring his VW Van with a Blown Small Block to Maxton and Bville a couple of years ago... fun stuff....

K

[bill440cars]

  ALWAYS COOL to see projects like this! Wish more folks were into this and post them. I can dig stuff like this, much more than the ones built from all BOUGHT stuff! The "Scratch Built" ones have Character like no other!

[Raef]

I would hate to called it a rat rod but it is being built from stuff we have, so far the only purchased items are the rear springs and tubing for the frame

[Don R]

riding is a fried out combi, i met a strange lady, she made me nervous,

[Don R]

I saw an older chevy van at the dragstrip, a young man had installed an Olds toronado engine/trans hooked to a 9" ford rear with a short driveshaft. It pulled a bit of a wheelie.

[scottly]

I saw an older chevy van at the dragstrip, a young man had installed an Olds toronado engine/trans hooked to a 9" ford rear with a short driveshaft. It pulled a bit of a wheelie.

The Olds Toronado was a front-wheel drive set-up; more than likely he relocated the whole drive train to the rear of the van and locked the spindles straight ahead. I've seen the Olds stuff used that way on dune-buggies at Pismo Beach, back in the day...   

[scottly]

I would hate to called it a rat rod but it is being built from stuff we have, so far the only purchased items are the rear springs and tubing for the frame

Cool! Had a friend in the '70s with a 215 Buick in a bucket. He built headers from a kit for some other motor, and cut flanges to fit the heads. They had long collectors, and he slid short glass-packs into the collectors. When he revved it, my first thought was that it sounded like 2 CB750s, tied together. Sweet!
So just what "nail-head" are you running? I'm not too up on Buicks, but I did have a good friend with a '65 401(?) w/factory 2-4 barrel carbs and 4 speed. Quick car.

[Don R]

That's how I would have done it, but he used a 9" ford rear end and a driveshaft. It was on stock leafsprings and the shaft was on a nasty angle.

[Raef]

not real up on Buick's eather, we built a 64 Riviera a few years back and ended up doing some trading with some of the Buick guys, we ended up with a 65 Riviera dual four 4 spd car, needs restored of course, but i think this motor was part of the package and I think its a 401.

we are having a local shop with a water jet cut use 3 sets of flanges to build some headers