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Newby with a CB650 Custom
« on: March 28, 2010, 08:23:42 PM »
Greetings from South Dakota,

Looks like a very nice forum with a lot of good information.

I have been lurking a couple days and decided to say hi. I am into vintage bikes and am kind of a two stroke nut (Kawasaki H2 Mach IV ;))

Two days ago I picked up a 1981 CB650 Custom with only 9000 miles on it. Very nice bike and I love the ride. The bike seems fairly light and has good smooth acceleration.   Paid $775 for it, I thought it was a bit much but the miles are low and it is in pretty good shape. This is my first 4 cyl bike.


Only a couple problems-
1. Broken tach cable-got a new one ordered

2. Head gasket/o-ring leak-going to get gaskets ordered

3. *(&#^#($*@^#&$ sticky throttle cables. Fought them all day-on and off and on and off. Finally ordered a new set of cables just for spits. The cables move loose and free when off the bike so I think they are fine but after fighting them for 4 hours I am ordering new one. I have 5 motorcycles and been riding for 30 years and have never had a set of throttle cables kick my but like these did. What in the hell was Honda thinking??? I am going to have to find a picture of the correct cable routing someplace. Right now the throttle snaps back except when turning to the right. I realize I can just go without the return cable but it has become a challenge at this point. Anyway I just needed to vent. I would rather work on a bike than sit in front of a tv.

4. Bike seems to be running a bit lean. The previous owner put on aftermarket pipes. The stock airbox is still in use. I don't know if the carbs have been touched.  I am going to check the timing and put in new plugs, get a plug reading and go from there.

5. Fork seal leaking-got fork seals ordered.


I have two teenage sons and one of them will be riding this bike. We plan on doing a couple trips this summer and am looking forward to it.
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 10:57:20 PM »
Only a couple problems-
1. Broken tach cable-got a new one ordered

2. Head gasket/o-ring leak-going to get gaskets ordered

3. *(&#^#($*@^#&$ sticky throttle cables. Fought them all day-on and off and on and off. Finally ordered a new set of cables just for spits. The cables move loose and free when off the bike so I think they are fine but after fighting them for 4 hours I am ordering new one. I have 5 motorcycles and been riding for 30 years and have never had a set of throttle cables kick my but like these did. What in the hell was Honda thinking??? I am going to have to find a picture of the correct cable routing someplace. Right now the throttle snaps back except when turning to the right. I realize I can just go without the return cable but it has become a challenge at this point. Anyway I just needed to vent. I would rather work on a bike than sit in front of a tv.

4. Bike seems to be running a bit lean. The previous owner put on aftermarket pipes. The stock airbox is still in use. I don't know if the carbs have been touched.  I am going to check the timing and put in new plugs, get a plug reading and go from there.

5. Fork seal leaking-got fork seals ordered.


I have two teenage sons and one of them will be riding this bike. We plan on doing a couple trips this summer and am looking forward to it.

Congrats on the buy! You got a pretty decent deal, my 650 set me back $450...

sounds like you have pretty much everything addressed... just going to touch on #4 in your list-
650s are somewhat notorious for running lean, though you dodged the bullet of the PD50 carbs.  I think I've heard the CV carbs are a bit more adjustable, but I might be wrong there. Part of the lean condition might be caused by the aftermarket pipes not providing enough back pressure.  Someone else on here might be able to give you more ideas on jetting.

the only other "typical 650 thing" I'd have you double check before summer trips would be the electrics and the charging system.  The rotor has a tendency to short internally, and not charge all that great in good condition, so while you're cleaning everything up, you might just want to give the connectors all a good once-over and some dialectric grease to keep them in good order.

With the charging system, you'll probably notice if that's going or not after a few rides and just do a search on here- the 650 charging "issue" has been picked apart pretty thoroughly.

You're in luck, most carb kits available fit the CV carbs. 

Beyond that, have fun! My first bike is an '80 650 and I really love it.  It has a lot more kick to it than a 650 single, though, so be forewarned! :D
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2010, 12:40:04 AM »
Discard your air filter no matter how good it looks, you don't know its' history and if it is internally clogged the bike will try to suck the airbox through the seat. ;D
Never had any trouble with either of my 650's cables so maybe you got one unwinding in the outer cover, new ones are a good call.
These are damn fun bikes, I'm a two stroke guy myself so these 4 cylinder dinosaurs are a real eye opener to me.....i just love em. :D
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 04:04:58 PM »
Thanks for the info! I have the name of the original owner and I am going to try and track down the original exhaust.

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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 04:42:50 PM »
The CV carbs are pretty forgiving to jetting.  Cable routing is just a hit or miss item especially if bars have been changed.
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 05:16:16 PM »
We found that the routing can be tricky on the throttle cables. It's a good idea to replace them anyway.

FYI: We bought motion pro cables to begin with and they weren't made correctly and were the wrong length. We ended up just getting the Honda ones and they worked perfectly. There is a whole thread on here somewhere about Motion Pro and the problems people have had with them not fitting.

Welcome to the 650 crowd.  :)
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 05:53:55 PM »
Kit, MickeyX and Hush got to you already.  You are in good hands with them!
I don't have a motorcycle, sold it ('85 Yamaha Venture Royale).  Haven't had a CB750 for over 40 years.

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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 09:11:50 PM »
yes, welcome to the unloved 650 crowd.  ;D


Just so you know, there was a bike of the month with all 650s in Feb. Kit and Hush tied for 1st. You can't go too wrong listening to either of them. Soos is very knowledgeable on these too. There is a whole 650 crowd here...  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=32307.0 Go intro yourself over there sometime! You can learn a lot about the interchangeability issues and quirks of these bikes. They didn't make them for long and had some changes across those few years. It will save you some headaches.  ;)
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CB650 C 1981 -- Can I add a kick start to this bike
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 05:01:43 AM »
Hello -
I talked my father inlaw out of his 1981 CB650C about 3 weeks ago, I chopped her up a bit and made a bobber out of her.
I have it running pretty good, plan to have a local guru tweak on my carbs.

My question is, can I add a kick start on this bike and if so what do I get it from. I'm sure some other engine will swap parts?

Also -
We are going this am to pick up a 750 Honda Bobber, we went yesterday and picked up an 81 CB900, these are for my bro in laws.
I have convenced them of the wonderment of these old bikes.

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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2010, 05:50:31 AM »
The stock airbox cover is too restrictive with aftermarket pipes. Ditch it and make some tabs to hold the filter in.



There is no aftermarket add on kickstart. What you have to do, if you really want one, is to find a 550 motor and swap cases.  There have been some threads here on doing such a project. (I think it was actually 650 cylinders on a 550 bottom end.)
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2010, 10:58:51 AM »
Welcome jvollmer!  I have added you to the CB650 Owners list.  Brockmandl, I add you as well.
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2010, 12:17:33 PM »
Welcome and congrats to getting the redheaded stepchild of the Honda SOHC4's. :D
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Re: Newby with a CB650 Custom
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2010, 01:09:34 PM »
Welcome and congrats to getting the redheaded stepchild of the Honda SOHC4's. :D

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