Topic: Pods, wives tale or solution?

[scottly]

who of you gives a F??..No-one..

I do

[Frankenkit]

Spanner... I was one of the cyber idiots who never had a m/c.  I'd never touched a bike until I got my two-cylinder-running 650 off Craigslist figuring I could work at it with my clymer's manual and see where that got me.
Somewhere on here, there are incredibly embarrassing posts from me from 2005 or 2006 where I thought the valve cover gasket was the head gasket, and was thoroughly confused about everything I was doing.
Giving advice on a forum is just that.  We're just giving our opinion, and people will ultimately do what they want anyway.  The real value is not in what the OP necessarily does with the info, but what people who find our input via searches etc do, and how much worth THEY find in our posts.  A lot of people have gone to the 650 hot start thread for a lot of the 650's electrical gremlins, etc, even though it took me, what, a year? two? to finally figure out what the original electrical problem really was.

[Spanner 1]

Kit, ya know I love ya, and X.... it's about the start of this post... I wish someone would respond and see where it goes, 'cos it's a troll nothing IMO... that's it in a nutshell, didn't mean to stir everybody up..

[scottly]

A lot of people have gone to the 650 hot start thread for a lot of the 650's electrical gremlins, etc, even though it took me, what, a year? two? to finally figure out what the original electrical problem really was.

Are you referring to the advanced Timing issue, that at last report, was your problem? If it had not been for spanner, who put up with me arguing about the DOHC type charging system, such as you have on your 650, I never would have gotten to the point of telling you your timing was advanced. You owe him, for putting up with me!
PEACE!!!  

[Spanner 1]

There's a post back on Page 1 that no-one has responded to ...why.?
And I'm the big baddie....?!..

[Frankenkit]

...it was actually the cable going from the starter solenoid to the starter motor that I'd never thought to check BUT it does start smoother now after retarding it a little, Scottly.  I thought we'd answered the question on P1?

[Spanner 1]

No... someone address the OP page 1 .... stop dissing me and answer the Q, same as I ( and the regulars have ) here since day one .....

[scottly]

...it was actually the cable going from the starter solenoid to the starter motor that I'd never thought to check BUT it does start smoother now after retarding it a little, Scottly.

I never bought the cable explanation, personally. You changed both the timing and the cable at the same time. To me, your symptoms were advanced timing. If you want to prove the old cable was the problem, re-install it, and see if you get stranded, again.

[scottly]

No... someone address the OP page 1 .... stop dissing me and answer the Q, same as I ( and the regulars have ) here since day one .....

The OP doesn't seem to be interested  in the tempest-in-a-teapot he has started!!!??

[hondaface75]

I cant beleive I sat here and read all that. 

[Gonzowerke]

The hole drilling helps the metal forming, but I would plug it up after forming the "funnel". Pods for cars often feature a funnel, as it helps direct air right at the intake tract(carb throat in our case).
The metal caps of these small pods they sell us would probably be a b*tch to form. Go to a hobby shop and find some "Evergreen"(brand name) plastic sheets in the thickness you want, get a hairdrier and some cone shaped things, and form your own, experiment with it.

Here is some crappy Paint art for you...

 
 
Normal pod                                                                                                      Modified pod

The trick is to form the funnel, or find a preformed piece you can glue in, that does what you want without restricting airflow.Some car pods even form the funnel out of filter material so the whole pod is flowing, not just the sides.
Don't let a troll who's life is so devoid of meaning he has to jump all over people simply asking questions drive you away.

Gonzo out.

[Frankenkit]

I wonder if the little filler funnels used for hipflasks would do any good, if the long part that gets stuck in the flask was shaved and replaced with a little JB weld molded to a gradual point and smoothed with some seriously high grit sand papers to make the surface smooth enough to not add its own drag on the air's dynamics?

I should add at some point that I don't have pods and would agree with TT that they're inferior in most conditions to stock airboxes, but I love new ideas and homebrew stuff, so here I am.

[Duke McDukiedook]

No, the shape of the inlet throat would make more difference in that case, tapered or curved lip would help more towards less turbulence.

But you are gonna get turbulent flow no matter what you do with that short of a throat length anyways, doesn't matter what you do.

[SteveCB750]

Dang, I didn't mean to open a can of worms!!!!

I was just relaying what I heard. Like I said, it sounds like a bunch of horse @#$t!

It was just a question which I decided to toss out there....

I hope everyone had enough time in their respective "time out" corner?

[SteveCB750]

I would also like to thank those who responded to my question.

Steve

[CB750Ken8]

If noting else the pods can be used to cover the heads intake ports if your boots are still stuck to the motor.

[Flying J]

Dont ask TT about pods or punching holes in them. You will get only one answer. The best and most advanced air filter system for the bike is.........
and if you want your bike to run as it was intended he is right. Now,  can drill a few hole in the air box to increase the flow?

[scottly]

Dont ask TT about pods or punching holes in them. You will get only one answer. The best and most advanced air filter system for the bike is.........
and if you want your bike to run as it was intended he is right. Now,  can drill a few hole in the air box to increase the flow?

Neat. But will it work on a 750?

[CB750Ken8]

Regardless, I learned my lesson with pods when i got the bike...

me:
"Oh hell yea, those pods look cool and they allow more air for the engine, I'm gonna get me some. "

associate who knows bikes:
 "You'll need to rejet and adjust fuel air mixture."

me:
"Nah, it idles just fine, I just have to adjust the mixture to get it right so it doesn't stall when I try to throttle up."

I switched back to the stock box and it works, just fixing up a leaky carb and electrical issues now.

just figured I still had the pods, so I figured I'd use them to unwanted item out of the engine till I get the carbs cleaned.

Sorry for randomness and high jacking of the thread.

[Flying J]

 
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Neat. But will it work on a 750?
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Good question. No. But i didnt find a pic of a 750 air box in my search. so you get the point

[SteveCB750]

This might be a silly question, but what model did the picture of the air box come from?

.......Ok, do you think it's possible to modify velocity stacks,.......add some sort of filter or so to keep dirt, water etc. out?

.....is this going to cause another ruckus?

[Flying J]

This might be a silly question, but what model did the picture of the air box come from?

.......Ok, do you think it's possible to modify velocity stacks,.......add some sort of filter or so to keep dirt, water etc. out?

.....is this going to cause another ruckus?

Air box is off a cb550.
is it possible, yes
ruckus? most likely but ill bite

you can get v-stacks and build a filter that could fit on the end between 2 pieces of mesh. But the question is do you really want pods or v-stacks? Are you going to race your bike and be at high rpms? If you are, then vstacks are what you want.
Do you want your bike to run well w/o hours of carb adjustments and tinkering then you dont want v-stacks.
Do you not care so much how well your bike performs in everyday conditions but want it to look cool as hell? Then v-stacks are the way to go. Cause they are the coolest looking intake solution. From my experience, get the bike running well with the stock and then move on to the pods/v-stacks. I have never got any of my bikes to run great with pods. But  i still have them on there, and i still keep trying to get it right. But i enjoy the pursuit.

[Yonash]

This might be a silly question, but what model did the picture of the air box come from?

.......Ok, do you think it's possible to modify velocity stacks,.......add some sort of filter or so to keep dirt, water etc. out?

.....is this going to cause another ruckus?

this was my thought, since from what i read the issue with pods is the turbulence so close to the carb, would it possibly fix that issue to modify a v-stack to have a place to attach a pod filter? i'll admit, i am certainly a noob when it comes to working on bikes ( i know my way around cars fairly well though), but i would like to be able to open up some space within the frame. not wanting to get into a debate as to whether it'd be a good idea to run this vs stock air box, i am just curious if it would indeed solve the problem.

[CB750Ken8]

Most likely not, considering you'd just be increasing the amount of area the turbulence has to build up, as in the worse it will be by the time it gets to the carb.

At least that's what I figure. Maybe a 90 degree angle would help or work but ten that would look weird and almost be the same as having the stock air box but instead you'd have pods.

Someone with more knowledge on it could probably give a better answer.

[Vinylwasp]

The trick is to form the funnel, or find a preformed piece you can glue in, that does what you want without restricting airflow.Some car pods even form the funnel out of filter material so the whole pod is flowing, not just the sides.
Don't let a troll who's life is so devoid of meaning he has to jump all over people simply asking questions drive you away.

Gonzo out.

 
 
Normal pod                                                                                                      Modified pod


Gonzo, your pictures provide an easier answer: form the cone shape using whatever material you like, and then epoxy resin or superglue it onto the inside of the pod's metal endcap.

After writing this, I'm now wondering if you could take the stock rubber velocity stacks that mount your carbs to the airbox and and fix these somehow into the pod in an effort to recreate the turbulence reducing affects that TT demonstrates in his famous "What's wrong..." post.

I think you'd want a pod with a larger diameter for this to really work. I'm now wondering if Dynoman's oval style ones might be good candidate for this approach?

Not advocating or baiting, just another guy interested in new ideas/approaches to old problems. Strange thread.


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