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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 08:22:20 PM »
I'll be damned. Didn't even see the weave come loose. Gotta get me one of those - for protection  ;D

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 08:35:01 PM »
i don't wear a helmet because my guardian angles are getting paid overtime. and yes i have been in a few wrecks taking a curve doing 50+ mph trying to jump my 1974 nova when i was 16 on my harley dirtbike wiping out on a dirt road same bike. a tree jumped in front of me last time i ever rode the dirtbike. and last but not least wiping out in the yard on a honda spree while the girlfriend and my son where shooting bottle rockets at me. the last time i wore a helmet a wasp flew in the sheild when i had open a little so i say piss on helmets they are just too dangerous.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2010, 09:30:38 PM »
i don't wear a helmet because my guardian angles are getting paid overtime. and yes i have been in a few wrecks taking a curve doing 50+ mph trying to jump my 1974 nova when i was 16 on my harley dirtbike wiping out on a dirt road same bike. a tree jumped in front of me last time i ever rode the dirtbike. and last but not least wiping out in the yard on a honda spree while the girlfriend and my son where shooting bottle rockets at me. the last time i wore a helmet a wasp flew in the sheild when i had open a little so i say piss on helmets they are just too dangerous.

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2010, 09:40:28 PM »
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 09:46:48 PM »
.........or you could just duct tape a couple of these  to the sides of your helmet

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2010, 10:38:43 PM »
i don't wear a helmet because my guardian angles are getting paid overtime. and yes i have been in a few wrecks taking a curve doing 50+ mph trying to jump my 1974 nova when i was 16 on my harley dirtbike wiping out on a dirt road same bike. a tree jumped in front of me last time i ever rode the dirtbike. and last but not least wiping out in the yard on a honda spree while the girlfriend and my son where shooting bottle rockets at me. the last time i wore a helmet a wasp flew in the sheild when i had open a little so i say piss on helmets they are just too dangerous.

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2010, 10:55:29 PM »
A woman started a campaign here in NZ to make it compulsory for all cyclists to wear a bike helmet. He young son was straddling his cycle, stationary, when he fell over and cracked his skull on the concrete. They turned off the life support after a few weeks I think it was.

So she went on a mission.

I think about Indian Larry whenever I'm tempted to lose the skid-lid.

Last time I went out onto the road without a helmet,to basically reposition my bike on the driveway, my 20 year old son really tore me a new one for being so stupid. He made me feel like #$%*. I wasn't setting the proper example and showing the way.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2010, 10:57:33 PM »
Your son rocks, TC10
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2010, 11:01:39 PM »
I have hit asphalt at same speed or greater than "swing girl", and  hit hard with my face.. I actually contacted the road in a sitting position, heels caught, went over onto my face so hard that my feet were at least 2 feet off the ground.. :o >:(

 No helmet,, and shorts.. I limped away from from that one but did need a few stitches. Had some facial cuts, hard abrasion on wrist and one knee.

 To every story I read about a kid on a bike or low speed bike accident where they say the helmet saved them, I day Bullsh!t.. I am just not buying the fact that the helmet always saved them. Not saying it cant or wont.. just saying what I know personally..

 I aslso have been t-boned by a bike at 90 + mph, I am not remembering either of us hitting our heads, my buddy skipped a hundred feet along the road.. at least.... just mentioned that as I am not a person that seems to never have accidents.

 I wear a hemet up here, its law. In states where its not, I often ride without but not always..
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2010, 11:03:44 PM »
Thanks Kit, my son doesn't smoke, has never tasted alcohol and doesn't do any drugs at all. Graduated and now with a good job and in a stable relationship. I'm really, really proud of him.

I like to think that I might have had some influence on him but I know that's not the case, he's just naturally on the right track with his life.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2010, 11:05:34 PM »
OT, but make sure he knows you're proud of him.  he might just naturally be on the right track, but it always feels good to know that's appreciated.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2010, 11:21:17 PM »
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To every story I read about a kid on a bike or low speed bike accident where they say the helmet saved them, I say Bullsh!t..

Frank, sometimes you really need to think first before you type, that is a #$%*in stupid statement without any credibility at all, do you think we are all idiots?  Did you see the helmets? did you see the damage? i guarantee you i could end your life quite quickly with a lump of concrete, {not saying i would},  it wouldn't be hard at all. You have been lucky, thats all your post says..... ::)

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2010, 12:55:05 AM »
I started riding bicycles at about 7 or so, there were no bike helmets then. Never even heard of a bike helmet until I was in high school (72 grad) and only bike racers had them. Lots of the cars I grew up with didn't have seat belts either, and when they became a mandatory item in new cars (and I don't mean "wear your seatbelt" laws) there were thousands of folks with stories about how they would have been killed if they had been wearing one. Car manufacturers were against them because they thought the public would think cars were unsafe. I learned early riding my bicycle around Sacramento how poorly some folks drive, and that even back then there were punks that took pleasure in "egging" bicyclists, so I learned to watch where I was going and watch my back and both sides at the same time. I rode bicycles and dirt bikes in the local fields without a helmet, because I didn't have one. Never thought about getting one, fell a lot and learned how to lay it down without getting hurt, never hit my head, but my nurse mom insisted when I started street riding my senior yr. I have since broken a couple helmets, and relayed the stories here, but there are still times I would ride without one. It isn't a statement, I just don't believe you can truly appreciate life and beauty when you hide behind the illusion of safety. My heart goes out to any parent that loses a child, but I cring every time I see a news story about some kid drowning at the river (2 or 3 times a yr here), there are inevitably several concerned bystanders shocked in disbelief that any parent would let their kid stand next to a river without wearing a life jacket, then the cop says, "yeah everyone should wear a life jacket at the beach". I'm sure it's just a matter of time before kids under 10 are not allowed at the beach without a life vest and safety helmet. As for "why" I would chose to ignore that helmets have twice saved my life and ride without one? would you rather ride a motorcycle or look out your window and wonder what it would be like? would you rather have sex with or without a condom? ever thought about going over 100mph? Once you've experienced something, especially if you grew up with things a certain way, would you be happy if someone told you now you can't do it that way, and it's the law because it's for your own good? I strongly advocate for the use of helmets, it makes good sense and they do save lives, but I am adamantly against mandatory legislated personal safety, it's an unwarranted government intrusion on my life. Think I'll go smoke a cigarette and clean my guns before they're illegal too.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2010, 02:43:24 AM »
Every time there is a thread about helmets or guns or what ever, it turns into a "freedom" thread..... ::)
How about a common sense thread instead. My rebuttal to Frank had nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with common sense. Just down the road from where i live a friend of my daughter's was punched in a fight, he tripped and fell onto the gutter fracturing his scull, he later died later that night in hospital , i know this has nothing to do with helmets but it shows how easy it is to die from a bump to the head. If it happens that easily standing still, any speed on a motorcycle without head protection has the ability to be fatal. Even 754's example of sliding down the road on his butt and face planting could have easily been fatal if he had slammed the back of his head, in that situation a helmet would absolutely make the "landing" safer. I find it hard to believe anyone would feel safer without a helmet. And for the guy that had a a wasp fly inside his helmet, so what..!! i would love to see you hit a locust plague at night {i have} and ended up spending 2 hours a a truck stop cleaning my self and the bike, it would have been scary dangerous as it was on a highway and i was doing 60MPH when it happened..

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2010, 03:49:44 AM »
I wasn't trying to "turn the thread", just sort of trying to answer the original posters question, who does and why....I guess it is sort of a freedom issue, but I see it a little differently, my contention is that a helmet does not make you any "safer" while riding a motorcycle, your chances of getting smacked are the same wearing a helmet or not, it merely improves your chances of surviving an unfortunate incident. When you tell someone they're "safer" because they are wearing safety equipment, they are considerably less likely to learn how to actually BE safe, and what you wear actually has very little to do with the mechanics of riding safely. Yes, it's a common sense issue, a personal choice issue, and (IMHO) should NOT be a legal one. From the "freedom" perspective, we'll see how the new health care thing works out here, but there are doctors working long and hard with the insurance companies to put in place methods of charging more for, or denying coverage to, people who engage in high risk activities such as motorcycle riding, snowmobiling, and firearm ownership, yes merely owning a firearm is considered a risky activity. I don't believe "you" have the right to force me to live my life a certain way because to do otherwise might increase the cost of "your" insurance policy. Falling off a horse and hitting his head killed Superman (Christopher Reeves) and he was wearing his helmet. Hundreds of cowboys ride everyday without helmets but there is no furor over them being more "risky" or foolish with their lives..
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2010, 05:00:07 AM »
i couldn't agree more, wearing a helmet doesn't reduce your chances of having an accident, being highly aware of your surroundings does but it still won't stop some drunk idiot cleaning you up while stopped at a set of traffic lights. I also agree that we should have the right to make up our own minds what we do , there is no cure for stupidity but i am sure without the helmet laws that most people would still wear them.
The main reason that most countries have the laws is because of the shocking nature of the injuries caused to someone not wearing a helmet and the cost to the system trying to keep the same people alive.
We have laws here that stop insurance companies profiteering from higher risk activities within reason and i think in your situation it is the greedy companies looking to cash in before the system is all sorted out. I actually think most motorcycle riders are better road users because motorcycles in general are harder to use than a car and therefore create better operators, so in my world everyone should ride a motorcycle to realise that it is extremely important to have "control" over that in which you choose to drive or ride.

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2010, 05:11:14 AM »
I actually think most motorcycle riders are better road users because motorcycles in general are harder to use than a car and therefore create better operators

You guys must not have too many crotch rocket riders down there.

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2010, 06:13:33 AM »
I think we have all learned a valuable lesson here.
Always were your helmet when you are using a swing set, getting in a fist fight or sitting still on your bicycle.
You might slip in the shower, so better wear it in there also.
Maybe we should just wear are helmets all the time.

Nothing will keep you safer then actual riding skills and common sense.

This thread subject is called, "Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?". 
Not "Hey mom. why can't I ride my motorcycle without wearing my helmet?".





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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2010, 07:19:31 AM »
I still think it looks and feels cool to ride without a helmet.  Aesthetics of a particular sort is why we ride.

But there is a reason why professionals in all my occupations (mountain search and rescue, medical flight crew, former soldier) and many others are mandated to wear helmets.  Despite there never being any guarantees, and there are NONE, the clear research and accumulated data VASTLY favors a good outcome if you are wearing a helmet.  Conversely, we are learning more and more how even subtle, unremarkable head bonks (that's medical jargon, sorry) can leave extended or even permanent effects on the brain.  And it is completely unpredictable, because each person is so individual.

A recent issue of Journal of Special Operations Medicine featured an article on the subtle chemical and physiological changes that occur in the brain after even a mild, closed head (no obvious injury) trauma.  No evidence on scans; but the chemical changes occur and can have subtle negative effects on how we think, behave, and function.

I have treated patients that had crashed sans helmet at 80 mph, or had grenades go off right next to their ear, and somehow escaped any immediately obvious head injury.  (My job was to get them the hell out of there; not sit around for a long neuro exam.)  I have also seen patients who simply bonked their head after slipping on ice or falling over in a parking lot, and had some long time disturbances of their balance and social behavior.  It is a crap shoot.

I remember going on patrols and ambushes without a helmet.  No one does anymore.  We learn, and the equipment gets more user friendly.  Sometimes we don't, but we're just lucky.  In my mind, riding without a helmet is approaching a game of Russian Roulette.  Some people never get hurt there either; but I would try to dissuade you not to play.  Hey, even suicide bombers sometimes fail.   ::)

I certainly see aesthetic and convenience advantages to riding without a helmet; especially here in the high desert heat.  But I strongly advise against it in any circumstance.  I don't want to meet any of you in my aircraft on the way to a neurology specialty hospital.

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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2010, 08:22:51 AM »
I am curious about this..
 all the lawmakers that proposed helmet laws (that would be at least 20 states in the last 3 decades).. must not be totally convinced of the helmets effectivness. If they were, they would be using them in their cars.

 Everyday people die of head injuries in car accidents, yet nobody seems to care..
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2010, 08:46:14 AM »
So motorcycles are as safe as cars??? 

I truly wish the Government would stay out of motorcycle safety and let the individual chose to or not to wear a helmet.

It would be nice to see the insurance companies help make the determination....  we'll pay X for head injuries if you were wearing XXX type of helmet or Life insurance companies following the same guidelines....  ( if your not going to protect yourself we're not going to protect your family )....

I still feel really naked without my helmet....


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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2010, 09:51:27 AM »
She definitely slid farther than she should have haha.
the swing set was built at the top of a slight incline.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2010, 10:51:39 PM »
I would say I wear one 80% of the time but if I am going anywhere at highway speed It may be closer to 100%.  When I was a bit younger and making long cross country trips I would wear it only if the law required in the state I was in.  Now older and wiser ??? it is as much a comfort thing as safety.  Without a helmet above 60mph it is just to much windblast.  I still like having the choice and at low speed around town I may or may not be wearing one but I never let a passenger ride without.  Late on a warm night riding around the city lakes and river parkways with little traffic I usually don't wear one and it's great.  I know the risk.  I survived getting hit by a car and not wearing a helmet.  I was injured but  did not suffer any head injuries.  I was very lucky but I don't use that as an excuse not to wear one.
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2010, 11:01:21 PM »
For what it's worth, I only ride trails, no helmet....but there were times when I wished  I had...... :D ;D :P
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Re: Who rides without a helmet and why don't you wear one?
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2010, 01:50:38 AM »
i always wear one ,its the law here and i still would even if it wasnt,sure ive been up and down my street without one testing a bike and buzzed around the campsite on dirt bikes with out one,but always when a proper ride is happening on it goes.i think its the law so they dont have to clean up as much mess its all contained!there was stickers here once"let those who ride decide"as posted before a slight bump to the head at the right angle or such and it can be fatal.