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Stuck kicker
« on: June 13, 2010, 12:24:26 pm »
What would cause the kick starter to freeze.  It won't budge.  1972 CB750

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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2010, 12:35:28 pm »
Have you verified that the engine it self is not stuck? a wrench on the flywheel side should eliminate that.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2010, 12:37:47 pm »
Have you verified that the engine it self is not stuck? a wrench on the flywheel side should eliminate that.

No the bike runs fine, just the kicker that is the problem.
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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 12:45:36 pm »
Have you verified that the engine it self is not stuck? a wrench on the flywheel side should eliminate that.

No the bike runs fine, just the kicker that is the problem.


Sounds like your starter gears are buggered up somewhere i personally have never had this problem and would think opening the side of the motor is in order but hopefully somebody has ran into this problem before and can offer a less messy alternative. A look at an engine blow up may help narrow it down?
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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2010, 01:01:55 pm »
Just thinking maybe try putting it in fourth and roll it backwards a bit and see if it frees it up?
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 12:39:52 pm »
Just thinking maybe try putting it in fourth and roll it backwards a bit and see if it frees it up?

yeah it is really strange.  I looked at an exploded view of the engine and can't figure out what could have hung up.  If the spring popped wouldn't it still turn but not kick over.  I am stumped.

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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 12:46:00 pm »
Hate to say it but besides being broke, its hard to fix. Nothing is accessible without removing the lower crankcase.

The only problem I've ever heard of is that the shaft iteself breaks and the starter goes limp. Enough of the shaft stays in place between bearings, that the oil pump gear remains perfectly fine.

I guess you could have broken a tooth and jammed it in.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 01:02:03 pm »
Hate to say it but besides being broke, its hard to fix. Nothing is accessible without removing the lower crankcase.

The only problem I've ever heard of is that the shaft iteself breaks and the starter goes limp. Enough of the shaft stays in place between bearings, that the oil pump gear remains perfectly fine.

I guess you could have broken a tooth and jammed it in.

If a tooth broke and jammed wouldn't it freeze everything.  The bike runs fine.
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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 01:16:36 pm »
Hate to say it but besides being broke, its hard to fix. Nothing is accessible without removing the lower crankcase.

The only problem I've ever heard of is that the shaft iteself breaks and the starter goes limp. Enough of the shaft stays in place between bearings, that the oil pump gear remains perfectly fine.

I guess you could have broken a tooth and jammed it in.

If a tooth broke and jammed wouldn't it freeze everything.  The bike runs fine.
I've got to think about it a little, but there is a springloaded pawl mechanism that resides within a gear. When you press down on the kicker that engages the internal flange of the gear, turns the gear which turns the mainshaft I think. When the engine catches, the mainshaft turns the kickgear which disengages the pawls and lets everything spin. The kick gear is spinning the whole time, so it couldn't be a tooth, you're right. It must be in the pawl mechanism, that is, the pawls have broken or stopped working.

Never seen that happen before, its a pretty stout mechanism. Nevertheless, you're looking at an engine removal and teardown, at least the bottom end.

PS: I still don't think thats it. I'll have to look, I've got one apart.

PPS: Just looked at a fishy. Not much else it could be, but I can't see it.
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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2010, 08:41:21 am »
The kicker is no longer stuck.  I adjusted the clutch.  Put the bike in top gear, rolled it (more like pushed it), put it in neutral. What do you know the darn thing freed up and kicked over.  It is beyond me why it was hung up.  Maybe all the leg work at the gym finally payed off  ;D

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Re: Stuck kicker
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2010, 09:34:57 am »
If you pressure wash it, and dont use the kicker, you could get corrosion right behind the seal in the clutch cover..
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 07:10:58 pm »
If you pressure wash it, and dont use the kicker, you could get corrosion right behind the seal in the clutch cover..

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