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Offline GroovieGhoulie

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Originality or functionality?
« on: February 11, 2006, 07:04:53 PM »
What is the board's consensus on maintaining originality or going to more functional or practical parts?

In my case I am looking at upgrading my brake hoses with SS hoses.  It would certainly be more functional and practical, but it's not "original".  I'm kind of an originality wonk, desiring a bike that is just as Honda delivered it, but I realize that many choices they made in production were made with cost and ease of manufacture in mind as opposed to pure performance.

When rebuilding or re-doing a system, do you go with modern advancements in parts and technology or do you buy OEM or OEM-style parts?

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2006, 07:14:04 PM »
Neither of my bikes are really stock, although the 175 was close.  I'm not a purist, and when given the choice, I like to keep them close when possible.  However, there has been a huge advancement in technology in the last 30 years. So improved functionality, technology & materials can work it's way into that 'choice equasion'.  For instance, I replaced my bar end mirrors with OEM style - for 1 day.  Couldn't see anything but my biceps, and back to the bar-end's. Now that's a reason to stray from stock.
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2006, 07:20:00 PM »
If you're building it to sell it eventually the best bet would be to go with stock parts.

However, if you're building it to ride and enjoy for years to come then a safer or prettier or more comfortable (whichever you value) bike is a more valuable bike.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2006, 07:20:35 PM »
True with my narrow bars on the 400, I see nothing but my leather-clad upper arm, but I can't stand the looks of bar-end mirrors, so the stocker stays.

I only have the left one anyway and am thinking about ditching it as it doesn't help me see behind me and at speed it makes it look like a weird blur of colors is behind me.  IE, next to useless.  Plus it's drag.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2006, 07:28:46 PM »
When you replace your chain, do you deliberatly try to buy one as crap as the origional one ? :o :o :o
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2006, 07:34:11 PM »
When you replace your chain, do you deliberatly try to buy one as crap as the origional one ? :o :o :o

Wouldn't know as I don't know anything about the original chains.  What made them so bad?

When I replace my chain I'm considering going with a Diamond 530 non O-ring chain.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2006, 08:15:04 PM »
If you are going to ride it a lot, especially in traffic, I'd go with function.  You can always keep the old parts to return it to original if that seems desirable later.
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2006, 08:28:19 PM »
Yeh i agree,keep it original if you want to sell it but if your going to keep it ,it would be nice to be able to tell it apart at sohc ride day ect.
Maybe you should buy 2  ;)
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2006, 09:35:04 PM »
Good post ofreen...each to their own is what I say, but an original bike will be worth more 'at the end of the day' than a bike that has been messed around with.  But I'm only and enthusiast, not an expert, and probably never will be.... :'(   But a rider has to be practical, I hate my brakes, POS, but I'll risk it 'cos I don't want to mess with my bike..
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2006, 10:42:33 PM »
I am a big fan of new parts / new more modern technology.
Anything that I can do to make my scoot last longer , be more reliable, etc I
am all about..

SS brake lines are MUCH better than rubber..... ;D
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2006, 04:45:17 AM »
If you want the rubber look, I don't see why you couldn't have SS brake lines coated with rubber when made or dip them in the rubber compound for screw driver handles.
Just my little think. ;D

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2006, 08:51:32 AM »
Originality for me. I have a bike I bought new in 1971, watched it come out of it's packing crate, and been lucky/fortunate to have put it away properly when the kids etc. came along so when it was time to freshen it up I kept all the original parts I could and replacing with OEM parts those that were visible. The red paint is all original except for the right headlight bracket which I managed to find new. I did new wheel and steering head bearing with the best I could find, tires that are right for the era. The only major change I did was replace all the engine screws with ss allen head screws because I like the look of them. The scrapes on the passenger pegs are still there and tell great stories of fast rides.
I think it's important for people to see at as it came out of the box. This bike rocked the motorcycle world. The reaction to the bike has surprised me. At shows and swap meets there's always a crowd around it, pictures being taken and tons of questions asked. I'm sure those with originals, especially the K0's get the same reaction.
Having said that, I'm building another from scratch with a 1969 frame and a bunch of stuff I bought for $200 and a '73 and a '76 CB750s I bought for a $1. Now I think I have free rein to do what I want. This one will be a homage to the SOHC4 but with a much different look.
So, I gues if it's close to stock now, I'd try to keep it that way. If it's a project bike, go for what you want to do. Or, do 2 or more of them.
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2006, 11:44:10 AM »
I'm a form follows function guy.   Ugly doesn't bother me if it works.  Besides, ugliness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
Most of my bike repairs or changes return to stock or add fuctionality.  My bikes aren't show bikes.  But, I will add windshields or fairings luggage racks, saddle bags etc. to improve utillity and all weather capability to the bike.  These are "practical" considerations.  While I think it would be nice that someone else liked the changes or the stock bits on my bike, if someone else doesn't like the looks of my bike, I feel it's their probblem, not mine.  My running bikes are "riders", not museum pieces.  However, they can be returned to stock form and appearance as I make no changes that can't be reversed.

If I was making a museum exhibit, I would want original design tires and brake hoses on the bike.  In my mind, such a bike is eye candy and gets driven around at low speed in parades and the parking lot, at most.  All minimum risk endeavors.   However, if I was risking my butt driving on public roads where obstacles are presented to avoid and/or manuever around, I would like to minimize the possibility of converting the machine and my anatomy into ground up and smashed refuse. Toward that end, I want the tires brakes and suspension to perform at the peak of their design capability.

If you are going to regularly risk life and limb on the machine, swapping originality for reliability and safety performance, seems a more than acceptable trade-off.

Ask yourself this question.  Can you imagine laying in the hospital bed with plenty of time to think about the crash and saying to yourself, "I almost stopped in time" ?  Or, "If I only could have slowed down another 10MPH before impact". How would you feel about the "original type" rubber hoses on your brakes, then?

I've ridden the same SOHC4 with old rubber hoses, new rubber hoses, and SS brake lines.  I don't care if the brake lines were covered with pink and purple fur, as long as they behaved like SS lines.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2006, 12:27:02 PM »
Eye Candy? Museum piece?  I guess I better buy a trailer to carry rather than ride this well maintained, beautiful example of a 1971 CB750!

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2006, 08:42:04 AM »
I go for the look, but don't mind the upgrades. My bike looks stock, but inside the fork tubes live progressive springs. The rear shocks look like stockers but have modern internals. Under the points cover is a Dyna-S ignition.

I like having the old school look, but since I ride it almost every day I need the better performance. For me, anything out of sight I have no qualms about upgrading.
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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2006, 03:15:31 PM »
I go for functionality, especially in areas like brakes and handling. These bikes weren't perfect when they were new, and time has brought some great developments, so why not take advantage of them if it'll help add to the enjoyment of riding them.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2006, 01:30:30 AM »
I try to keep as stock as possible, specially on what can be seen, but don't mind to upgrade for better performance, much more on aspects related to safety like braking etc.

BUT, I always keep the original replaced parts, so I can put the bike back to original condition in case I decide not to ride the bike anymore. In the same way, I would not mind to buy a modified bike if the seller includes the replaced parts.

In that way, I know that I have an original bike, temporarily upgraded, but still original. I never do any permanent modification, like drilling or welding, and if I do, I buy another part for the test, so not to spoil the original. In case the spare one turns out to be in better shape than the one I already had, I simply swap them and keep the one in better shape.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2006, 06:07:47 AM »
that's what i've been doing, too Raul - in fact, when i got the bike it was so de-stockified that i've actually been buying parts that i know i'm NOT GOING TO USE, right now anyways...  ;) ...just so i can have a stock bike if i want it (or want to sell it)

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2006, 08:29:51 AM »
I try to have funcionality and style as mutch as i can afford but preformance wise i still ride a 73 bike  ;D

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2006, 09:49:51 AM »
I guess I dont care. I like something to work and if possible, look good. ss brake lines are better than stack it makes no sense to forego them as they are available in colors and work better then the stock rubber hose.

I guess it depends on the parts for me.

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Re: Originality or functionality?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2006, 12:38:52 PM »
With the exception of some of the sport models (making sweeping generalization here) these bikes have always seemed to be universal machines.  If you wanted to tour you needed to add stuff.  If you wanted better performance you have to change and adjust things.  There in lies the beauty of the universal motorcycle.  What was once pure function has with time become the form we desire.  Think about the black leather clad biker image.  Wearing heavy leather originally was functional because it was the best protection available.  Arguably now there are better options, but what was pure function has become the form for many. 

I try to make my functional things look good, but if they function for crap I'll use something else.