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Offline Ayrity

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Kind of a weird question
« on: July 05, 2010, 10:40:35 AM »
So I was listening to a podcast (Adam Carolla's Carcast) and they had Steve Dinan on as a guest. In case you don't know who he is, he is a BMW builder, kinda like Roush for Ford etc. But he was explaining how he builds race engines for a specific circuit where the engines have to be naturally aspirated, and he said he still runs a small supercharger, but not to force air into the combustion chambers, but to put the crankcase in a vacuum! He said by doing this he can take out the oil scraping ring (the second ring) on the pistons because the oil is sucked down instead of being scraped down, and so there is less friction, also the piston can be shorter obviously so less weight and better revv ups, and longer rods etc, and you now dont have to push the air out of the way as the piston returns downward, and it all roughly translates to 35 HP in a BMW V8 after the parasitic loss from the blower is subtracted out, and that is still with not putting the sucked out air into the cylinders!

I was really curious what this would do to a bike engine, especially our older bikes. 1) could our engines take that negative pressure without cracking, and 2) would it help enough to be noticeable?

Just wanted some reactions to the idea as I had never heard of it before.
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Re: Kind of a weird question
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2010, 11:25:31 AM »
What is your target RPM?
Average RPM?
Are you looking for street bike advantage or track bike advantage?

Does the BMW V8 have the same number of pistons going up the bore as going down the bore?

Vacuum in the crankcase for racing engines is not uncommon.  I think all the FI/Indy cars do that routinely.  They operate at some pretty high RPMs as normal operation.
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Re: Kind of a weird question
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2010, 11:36:31 AM »
drag racers commonly use a vacuum pump on the crankcase. The downside is too much vacuum can cause the oil to seperate from moving parts too much. Piston pin lubrication is an issue and too much vac can cause the oil pump to struggle against the vacuum to move oil. That said, vacuum in moderation will make horsepower and keep moisture out of the crankcase. There are smog pumps on GM s10 trucks and some ford smog pumps that have been used. The late S10's even have an electric one.
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Re: Kind of a weird question
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2010, 12:05:23 PM »
ha ok well I obviously proved I am an idiot for not hearing about this before... but just thought it was a cool idea. I wasnt exactly trying to do it or anything, just curious, no target anything in mind lol
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Re: Kind of a weird question
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010, 12:31:57 PM »
weird questions deserve weird answers,i think the idea sucks.

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Re: Kind of a weird question
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2010, 12:53:19 PM »
I love weird!
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