Topic: Lawyers?

[scrapvalue]

Actually, the reason lawyers get elected is because they often have the money it takes to get elected.

So maybe the answer to getting this country back on track is, vote for the guy who spends the least amount of money!

[wardenerd]

two lawyers are trapped on a desert island for three long years. One day a beautiful NAKED blonde washes up on the beach barely alive.  One lawyer looks at the other and says  "Lets screw her."  The other replied   "Out of what?"

[scrapvalue]

Maybe it's only natural.  We are after all a nation of laws, it's what separates us from tyranny.  Not defending them as I don't care for them all that much but just sayin....

Actually, all nations have laws. Most are enforced by dictators or some other forum of totalitarianism.

What separates us,(or separated us at one time), is a forum of government that allows its people to be self governing.
Its called "Freedom" and it was made possible by the constitution.


Our population is made up of way to many people who want something for nothing, and a government run by a bunch of people who make their living taking from others and giving it to them,(buying votes).
They are called lawyers and they run our country.      Please stop voting them into power. 

[sangyo soichiro]

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[Grnrngr]

Its called "Freedom" and it was made possible by the constitution. 

No, Freedom existed before the Constitution, some say it's a gift from God, others say it is the inherent right of Man, the Constitution was created to prevent the government from infringing on our freedom. 

[scrapvalue]

Its called "Freedom" and it was made possible by the constitution. 

No, Freedom existed before the Constitution, some say it's a gift from God, others say it is the inherent right of Man, the Constitution was created to prevent the government from infringing on our freedom. 

Just a question, but where did freedom exist before the U.S. and it's constitution came into play?
Where else does it exist now?
Where else will it exist if we fail?
Why are our elected officials,(lawyers), trying to change the constitution?
There has never been a country like the U.S. before and if it falls, there is a good chance there will never be another one like it.
And even if there is someday, it won't be in your or your children's life time.
We aren't going to have a lot more chances to get it right.

[Grnrngr]

There was a lot of talk back in the day..(Greek and Roman days) about freedom, the Magna Carta was about Freedom...wars all throughout Europe before the world wars were about someones freedom, every revolution on Earth has been about someone idea of freedom...on the other hand, do you really think youi're free here in the US? maybe "freer" than most, but there's a whole western civilization (think Scandinavia, Iceland, Greenland, all the British commonwealth countries, most of the rest of Europe)that will argue with you...free from what? certainly not taxes or the insatiable corporate desire to sell you a whole bunch more crap nobody really needs...or other peoples opinions...freedom from someone telling oyu what to do? even here most folks trade their freedom for a job...everyone's got a boss. And then there are married people...and those with kids...freedom?  heheheheh apparently FREEDOM isn't political....

[andy750]

Just a question, but where did freedom exist before the U.S. and it's constitution came into play?
Where else does it exist now?

You cannot seriously think that the U.S. is the only place "Freedom" exists?   You should 1) read a dictionary to understand what you are talking about and 2) travel more...broadens the mind you know

BTW you are not "free" and never have been...sorry to burst your brainwashed bubble. See above post by grnrng....

[scrapvalue]

Just a question, but where did freedom exist before the U.S. and it's constitution came into play?
Where else does it exist now?

You cannot seriously think that the U.S. is the only place "Freedom" exists?   You should 1) read a dictionary to understand what you are talking about and 2) travel more...broadens the mind you know

BTW you are not "free" and never have been...sorry to burst your brainwashed bubble. See above post by grnrng....

Well, I guess the only answer is to just keep letting the country continue to slip further away from the principles it was founded on.
Is that what you are saying?

Think about how long there have been people on this planet.  Up until the U.S. came into existence, the technology in the world pretty much stayed the same.

Once people were able to think and do for themselves, we got things like electricity, telephones, medical advancements, automobiles, airplanes and the list goes on.
People who are free to succeed,(or fail), will always be more productive then those who aren't.
Besides most any other country that enjoys any type of freedom should thank the U.S. for what has been done to help them out.
What kind of place would Europe be if we had not stepped in and helped defeat Hitler?

Any problems that the U.S. has created was created by the elected officials.

I'm guessing from your response to this topic that you have been voting for lawyers and will probably continue to do so.

[scrapvalue]

There was a lot of talk back in the day..(Greek and Roman days) about freedom, the Magna Carta was about Freedom...wars all throughout Europe before the world wars were about someones freedom, every revolution on Earth has been about someone idea of freedom...on the other hand, do you really think youi're free here in the US? maybe "freer" than most, but there's a whole western civilization (think Scandinavia, Iceland, Greenland, all the British commonwealth countries, most of the rest of Europe)that will argue with you...free from what? certainly not taxes or the insatiable corporate desire to sell you a whole bunch more crap nobody really needs...or other peoples opinions...freedom from someone telling oyu what to do? even here most folks trade their freedom for a job...everyone's got a boss. And then there are married people...and those with kids...freedom?  heheheheh apparently FREEDOM isn't political....

So Freedom to you, would be, not having to have a job or kids,?
Sounds like your idea of freedom is to be able to do absolutely nothing and receive a pay check anyway.
How much freedom do you think the countries you mentioned would have if the U.S. never existed?

You really don't know what freedom is, do you.

No wonder the country is in the condition it is.
   

[Grnrngr]

Well, I guess the only answer is to just keep letting the country continue to slip further away from the principles it was founded on.
Is that what you are saying?

which principles that it was founded on no longer exist? which are under attack that haven't been under attack by authoritarian forces since the dawn of collective conciousness?(i.e. written history)

Think about how long there have been people on this planet.  Up until the U.S. came into existence, the technology in the world pretty much stayed the same.

Once people were able to think and do for themselves, we got things like electricity, telephones, medical advancements, automobiles, airplanes and the list goes on.
People who are free to succeed,(or fail), will always be more productive then those who aren't.

Wow.OMG wow. Not sure about telephones, but cars and planes and major medical advancements were common in Europe much sooner than the US for quite a while . In fact, the Industrial Revolution began in Europe.

Besides most any other country that enjoys any type of freedom should thank the U.S. for what has been done to help them out.
What kind of place would Europe be if we had not stepped in and helped defeat Hitler?

OMFG WOW...any idea what kind of place the US would be if FRANCE didn't step in and help us kick out the Brits? We'd all be speaking BRITISH now..

Any problems that the U.S. has created was created by the elected officials.

No, lots of problems have been created all over the world by people like you, who weren't even there, walking all over the world like the high school bully telling everyone we helped how they should be so thankful, and somehow sixty years later still owe us something and anyone else who wants to get in our way will get smacked down.

[Grnrngr]

So Freedom to you, would be, not having to have a job or kids,?
Sounds like your idea of freedom is to be able to do absolutely nothing and receive a pay check anyway.

I have a multitude of skills, I can trade my skills for cash, don't need a place to go 8 hours a day to choke someone else chicken. Got two kids, now that they're grown, I have a little more freedom.

How much freedom do you think the countries you mentioned would have if the U.S. never existed?

Don't you get tired of that one?

You really don't know what freedom is, do you.
No wonder the country is in the condition it is.

You really don't get it. You are not free, you are trapped by your fear and hatred. I am free, I don't fear the government or street thugs or for my life in any manner (other than from my own risky behaviour . Even if I were in prison, I am still free to think what I want and believe what I want. Free to not talk to people who have no idea what they're talking about, but you have me curious..what does freedom mean to you? what freedom do you think you have? what freedom do you think you're losing?

[sangyo soichiro]

I think we are pretty free in the U.S. in ways people in other countries aren't.  Off the top of my head, I can think of two friends that have told me they aren't really free, for example, to openly criticize their home country's government, while in their home country.  One is from Romania, and the other from Vietnam.  Or maybe I should say that they are "free" to do it, but they make it sound like it could cause them problems if certain people hear them.

And I just thought of a third friend who basically says the same thing - he's from China.


I don't know if you guys talking about freedom are debating stuff like this, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

[scrapvalue]

So Freedom to you, would be, not having to have a job or kids,?
Sounds like your idea of freedom is to be able to do absolutely nothing and receive a pay check anyway.

I have a multitude of skills, I can trade my skills for cash, don't need a place to go 8 hours a day to choke someone else chicken. Got two kids, now that they're grown, I have a little more freedom.

How much freedom do you think the countries you mentioned would have if the U.S. never existed?

Don't you get tired of that one?

You really don't know what freedom is, do you.
No wonder the country is in the condition it is.

You really don't get it. You are not free, you are trapped by your fear and hatred. I am free, I don't fear the government or street thugs or for my life in any manner (other than from my own risky behaviour . Even if I were in prison, I am still free to think what I want and believe what I want. Free to not talk to people who have no idea what they're talking about, but you have me curious..what does freedom mean to you? what freedom do you think you have? what freedom do you think you're losing?

Are you free, or just naive?   

[BeSeeingYou]

Maybe it's only natural.  We are after all a nation of laws, it's what separates us from tyranny.  Not defending them as I don't care for them all that much but just sayin....

Actually, all nations have laws. Most are enforced by dictators or some other forum of totalitarianism.

What separates us,(or separated us at one time), is a forum of government that allows its people to be self governing.
Its called "Freedom" and it was made possible by the constitution.


Our population is made up of way to many people who want something for nothing, and a government run by a bunch of people who make their living taking from others and giving it to them,(buying votes).
They are called lawyers and they run our country.      Please stop voting them into power.  

You don't really understand the phrase,  "We are a nation of laws not of men".  In dictatorships or totalitarian countries the rulers are above the law (a nation of men).  

I also think you confuse losing an election with losing your "freedoms".  For all your talk of the constitution and freedom you don't seem to have a real understanding of democracy, freedom, and the responsibilities that go with it.  Yeah, there are responsibilities to society, it isn't all about selfish narcissism.  All the hyperbole from the right about socialism and lost freedoms is just that.  No one has yet explained specifically what freedoms they have lost in the last 18 months.  And please no more bumper sticker slogans  and Palin style hyperbole.

[Grnrngr]

Are you free, or just naive?   

Free as the breeze baby, the only commitments I have are those things I choose to commit myself to. The only people telling me what to do are those I ask guidance fro. On the other hand, I guess I'm not free to get sh*tfaced and go racing on the freeway in my car, or take my shotgun down to the park to shoot ducks..but if I really did WANT to get blitzed and hotrod around in my car, there are fire roads and lots of open spaces, pastures etc, around here I could do that and not get caught and little risk of damaging anything/ anyone else. and there's lots of other places I can take my guns and shoot whatever whenever I want...

Naive? not hardly junior...I've been on both sides of the law, not to mention spending some time (not doing time) in some 14 or 15 foreign countries (in a non-military situation) I know where my boundaries are. So that's twice now I've told you I'm free and I'll ask you again, what is YOUR idea of freedom and what freedoms do you think you are losing?

oh yeah..since you like the "you seem like" game...YOU seem like the kind of guy who would go to Mexico and get pissed off because the Mexicans don't speak English like they should if they really wanted to earn your tourist dollars...

Soichi, you are right, there is no man on earth that has all the advantages offered to a white man in America, unfortunately, white women don't share that status, persons of color regardless of sex or race do not share that status.. I do feel blessed to have been born here, it kinda irritates me when people start slammin my country like this guys doin. Nothing was ever made better by sitting around pissing and moaning about how bad things are.

[Spanner 1]

It's very curious to me how concerned Americans are about their freedom, like it's all going away today!!!
Very funny guys...where's it going, and who ( exactly ) is taking it away ??.... Europeans are free to not worry about their freedom, it's quite a bonus.... but then Euro's don't live in a fear based , propagandised society like some nations.

[scrapvalue]

I started this thread to offer a suggestion to the people who have taken the time to look around and see the trouble this country is in.
I didn't start it to get in an argument with people who don't seem to look any further then the evening news for what's actually going on.
If you don't get it, I will not be able to convince you otherwise.
It's a free country,(sort of), and you are entitled to your opinions, and so am I.
I'm not spreading hate or pointing a finger at anyone person. I am not "scared", I am concerned.
Just trying to offer an option to those of us that don't like the way things, (border control, tax increases, entitlement programs, bail outs, national debt, healthcare, bankrupt states, business leaving the U.S., etc.), are heading.

[Grnrngr]

If you don't get it, I will not be able to convince you otherwise.

Likewise.  You might have a better chance at convincing others if your information weren't so erroneous and you could back it up with intelligent argument. Guess we never will know what your idea of freedom is, or what is being lost and how. oh well, game over. You win.

[Franken750]

two lawyers are trapped on a desert island for three long years. One day a beautiful NAKED blonde washes up on the beach barely alive.  One lawyer looks at the other and says  "Lets screw her."  The other replied   "Out of what?"

 

[Franken750]

Q: Why are lawyers buried twice as deep ans everyone else?

A: 'Cos deep down they really are nice people. 


Q: You're in a cage with a bengal tiger, a boa-constrictor and a lawyer.  You have a gun with 2 bullets. How will you save yourself?

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Put both rounds into the lawyer. Don't want to be taking any chances with one of those.

 

[scrapvalue]

You really need to see this video.

And then check out this website.
http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

It seems as though we are being played by both sides.  It starts out talking about Obamaa, but it also goes after Bush and other canidates. Please read through it before you get all defensive.
Just more reason to vote for canidates with the least amount of money backing them. This goes for both parties.

[Retro Rocket]

Scrap value, you really need to get out more often. Your arguments are simply ridiculous, you really think the USA invented everything and is the centre of the universe.....how ignorant.  Please don't stop posting though as my friends now look to your posts for some "only in America" humour   

Mick

[my78k]

I love the fact that some US citizens feel their society is the only free society and is far better than EVERYONE else's...

oh and btw, a quick wiki search of your founding fathers reveals:
The 1787 delegates practiced a wide range of high and middle-status occupations, and many pursued more than one career simultaneously. They did not differ dramatically from the Loyalists, except they were generally younger and less senior in their professions.[8] Thirty-five were lawyers or had benefited from legal education, though not all of them relied on the profession for a livelihood. Some had also become judges.[9]

[demon78]

Mick being a certain age I remember how every one laughed at the Russians for claiming that they had invented everything and how the world wouldn't have progressed with out them and now there are some Americans claiming the same type of thing, so I wonder if there is a connection, and remember this was 20-25 years before the USSR collapsed. The other thing, where is Keith Turk this sounds like a political topic to me.
Bill the demon.